Re: mom's tumor growing..is that good or bad???

[Guest guest]

The tumor is reactng to the lack of 'nutrition' from the toxins in the body.

This is good but if it were my body, I would apply black salve on the tumors as

well. When absorbed into the system, this also is another bullet to this

protocol. Do a google on black salve and learn. Johanne

From: Imran Baig

I joined this group a month ago to get some " knowledge " on how to help my

mom...she was diagnosed with breast cancer approx 3 months back, with a 6 cm

tumor on her right breast and a couple of smaller tumors growing in the right

arm pit/lymph node area...biopsy confirmed " very aggresive cancer - 7/9 on the

pathology report...she had further tests done such as catscan, bone scan, chest

mri, blood/liver tests and tests showed that the cancer has/had NOT spread to

other areas... we (3 sons) did a lot of research and convinced her to NOT do

chemo, radiation nor mastectomy at the time (3 months ago)..instead we opted for

the alternative route...the protocol is detailed below...basically it consists

of strict veggie and fruit diet (no sugars, meat, etc) with the aid of of

Budwig, mgn3, beta glucan, graviola, noni, coq10, Essiac, apricot seeds,

wobenzyme and bromelain (pancreatic enzymes), zinc, msm, chlorella, spirulina,

and liver prtec for detox purposes...With my mom, we saw the tumor shrink a

significant amount during the first 2-3 weks of the protocol, but when we went

for an ultrasound a couple of weeks ago (approx 2.5 months after starting the

protocol) the tumor has now gotten slightly larger than the original 6 cm

size...i am wondering if this is a good thing or a bad thing...good maybe

because our protocol is working and the tumor is suppose to get bigger about

now, or bad if the protocol is having a negative effect...does anyone have any

ideas?.............

[Guest guest]

To IMB,

Try making a compress with the Essiac tea and placing on both

breasts periodically through the day. The tea will be absorbed

directly into the breasts and the lymph nodes in that area.

Also the tea is probably more effective if taken before meals.

There are other things that you can do.

Examples: polymva.com

Vibe machine machine treatments

Rife frequency treatments at home

Ozone or H2O2 treatments

Write me and I will send you my paper on cancer.

Imran Baig wrote:

>I joined this group a month ago to get some " knowledge "

on how to help my mom...she was diagnosed with breast cancer approx 3

months back, with a 6 cm tumor on her right breast and a couple of

> smaller tumors growing in the right arm pit/lymph node area...biopsy confirmed

" very aggresive cancer - 7/9 on the pathology report......the protocol is

detailed below with amounts and brands for any who are interested, but basically

it consists of strict veggie and fruit diet (no sugars, meat, etc) with the aid

of of Budwig, mgn3, beta glucan, graviola, noni, coq10, Essiac, apricot seeds,

wobenzyme and bromelain (pancreatic enzymes), zinc, msm, chlorella, spirulina,

and liver prtec for detox purposes...

.... we saw the tumor shrink a significant amount during the

first 2-3 weks of the protocol, but when we went for an ultrasound a

couple of weeks ago (approx 2.5 months after starting the protocol)

the tumor has now gotten slightly larger than the original 6 cm

size...i am wondering if this is a good thing or a bad thing...good

maybe because our protocol is working and the tumor is suppose to get

bigger about now, or bad if the protocol is having a negative

> effect...does anyone have any ideas?

[Guest guest]

thanks johanne..will look into it right away!

IMB

--- Johanne wrote:

> The tumor is reactng to the lack of 'nutrition' from

> the toxins in the body. This is good but if it were

> my body, I would apply black salve on the tumors as

> well. When absorbed into the system, this also is

> another bullet to this protocol. Do a google on

> black salve and learn. Johanne

>

[Guest guest]

For info and resources on Black Salve:

blacksalveandpetswithcancer/

In , Imran Baig <ib_teacher@...> wrote:

>

> thanks johanne..will look into it right away!

>

> IMB

>

> --- Johanne wrote:

> > The tumor is reactng to the lack of 'nutrition' from

> > the toxins in the body. This is good but if it were

> > my body, I would apply black salve on the tumors as

> > well. When absorbed into the system, this also is

> > another bullet to this protocol. Do a google on

> > black salve and learn. Johanne

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Imran Baig wrote:

>my mom...was diagnosed with breast cancer...biopsy confirmed " very

aggresive cancer...we (3 sons) did a lot of research and convinced her

to NOT do chemo, radiation nor mastectomy..instead we opted for the

alternative route...started 2.5 months ago with a protocol...consists

of strict veggie and fruit diet... Budwig, mgn3, beta glucan,graviola,

noni, coq10, Essiac, apricot seeds, wobenzyme and bromelain(pancreatic

enzymes), zinc, msm, chlorella, spirulina, and liver prtec for detox

purposes...i was told that the tumor will " swell up " /get bigger before

it implodes and shrinks away...is this true?

> -------

Hi Imran,

I've been reading two cancer groups and doing research for three years

and don't recall reading any report saying that the tumor will swell

up or get bigger before it implodes and shrinks away. Maybe I missed

that information but I wonder what your source is for that idea.

Is it a reliable source? Someone with expertise?

Regarding your protocol, one thing that I can mention to you is that

Dr. Budwig did not use any supplements with her nutrition and sunlight

therapy and she healed many terminal cancer patients. Also, many on

the FlaxseedOil2 group have overcome terminal cancer through following

her regime exactly as she explains it in her books.

She believed that synthetic supplements can irritate the organs and

systems of the body and delay or stop improvement. Definitely,

antioxidants such as CoQ10 can work against the Budwig diet. The

Budwig plan is based on oxygenation of the cells, so antioxidants

cancel out the work of the flax oil. It would help to understand more

about that healing diet if you want to help your mom. She must also

eliminate damaging oils from her diet. If you could join the

FlaxseedOil2 group, you would learn much more.

The problem with swallowing such a large number of a variety of

supplements is that you really don't know which ones are working in

harmony with each other and which are working against each other,

cancelling the health benefits. Just the amount of supplements you are

giving your mom requires a lot of energy for digestion and a great

deal for the liver to process - especially when you consider that some

of them are unnatural, synthetic powders that the body isn't used to.

You refer to cancertutor as a source of information. That is a website

that was created by an engineer. And it's a great site for exploring

what is used in the alternative world, but the man who built the site

is not someone who has worked with or healed cancer patients. Look at

each product in your list of supplements. Ask yourself what basis you

have that the product truly helps a cancer patient.

As opposed to your research over a few months, Dr. Johanna Budwig and

Dr. Max Gerson healed terminal cancer patients for over 50 years. You

can communicate with people who have been healed by these plans more

recently through and phone calls. Also, the Living Foods

diet first developed by Ann Wigmore and now used in various institutes

around the country has healed thousands of people and continues to do

so. These are protocols that have been proven effective over many

years. You can read more about these plans in the files of this group

which you can access from the menu on the homepage.

I admire that you and your brothers want to help your mom, but you

really don't know enough about the details of how your list of

supplements and foods work together or even whether some of them are

hurting more than helping.

I hope that you will consider learning about well-known cancer-healing

plans that have worked for many years and help your mom to follow one

of them. In my opinion, she will have a better chance of healing.

[Guest guest]

I have the Dr.Lorraine Day's tapes and books. Dr.Day said taking supplements

made her tumor grow! [you can read her website]

http://www.drday.com/

Imran wrote: ..I joined this group a month ago to get some " knowledge " on how to

help my mom...she was diagnosed with breast cancer approx 3 months back, with a

6 cm tumor on her right breast and a couple of smaller tumors growing in the

right arm pit/lymph node area...biopsy confirmed " very aggresive cancer - 7/9 on

the pathology report...she had further tests done such as catscan, bone scan,

chest mri, blood/liver tests and tests showed that the cancer has/had NOT spread

to other areas...

[Guest guest]

Cantron and breast cancer

Hi Marie had stage 3 dec 2004. She had her breast removed and started chemo.

After the second treatment of chemo. They did another bone scan and found that

the chemo spread the cancer faster to her bones. It was now stage 4 and she was

told to go home she had two weeks. Marie tried checking other alternative

treatments that were to high priced and a friend told her of Cantron. She

started Cantron march 2005. Two months later she returned to her doctor to their

surprise and they did another bone scan and found NO change. Six months later,

after following the wellness plan and diet and exersies, she finally saw the

toxins come out of her body! Another bone scan was done NO change. She believes

the spots are like scars from the cancer

since she feels so well and the cancer didn't spread-doctors told her to keep

doing what's she is doing!

Imran Baig <ib_teacher@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

Again, I would encourage you to look into Cantron or Protocel. Both are of the

same formula and work marvelously. I took it for 2.5 years to get rid of the

brain tumor. This along with an alkaline diet did the trick for me after

battling this 16 years. Black salve worked on the accessible tumors.

You will be blessed following this route.

Johanne

Re: [ ] mom's tumor growing..is that good or bad???

Cantron and breast cancer

Hi Marie had stage 3 dec 2004. She had her breast removed and started chemo.

After the second treatment of chemo. They did another bone scan and found that

the chemo spread the cancer faster to her bones. It was now stage 4 and she was

told to go home she had two weeks. Marie tried checking other alternative

treatments that were to high priced and a friend told her of Cantron. She

started Cantron march 2005. Two months later she returned to her doctor to their

surprise and they did another bone scan and found NO change. Six months later,

after following the wellness plan and diet and exersies, she finally saw the

toxins come out of her body! Another bone scan was done NO change. She believes

the spots are like scars from the cancer

since she feels so well and the cancer didn't spread-doctors told her to keep

doing what's she is doing!

Imran Baig <ib_teacher@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

Hi..I was just thinking you are maybe doing too many things...the possibility

exists that alternative treatments may not compliment each other.I ran

across a website that showed this.

Personally I would try detoxing the liver and lymph glands,a modified liver

flush(Olive Oil and Lemon juice ) and the detoxify foot patches are great to

remove gunk from the lymphs and liver. Sea Salt added to pure water, needs to

be added, maybe terramin, fulvic acid, fish oil,stress reduction,diet,remove red

meat etc..pomegranate juice, NO SUGAR!!!

These would be my choices as complimentary..Try the foot patches ,your

system is backed up I bet...TRy colosan for colon detox !!!

Most modern maladies are caused by prolonged exposure to a combination of

negative lifestyles and toxic environmental factors, including junk food and

malnutrition, pesticides, viruses, antibiotics, microwaves, chemical pollution

of food, water and air, lack of exercise and chronic stress. These factors are

further aggravated by the failure of modern medicine to recognize them as agents

of dis- " ease " and death and the consequent failure to take preventative measures

against them. The same chemical companies that produce toxic chemicals also

produce prescription drugs, veterinary medicines, a wide array of medical

products. Families with toxin induced illnesses often spend large sums for drugs

and medical treatment. This circle of profit is not conspiracy theory, but an

easily provable fact. What you don't know can hurt you.

I think the use of estrogens, anti persperants, dioxin in our

foods, mammograms, smoking chemicals are contributory.Try to sweat in saunas,use

liver gall bladder flushes try,GCG,Chinese bitters...

God Bless...

> Imran Baig wrote:

> I joined this group a month ago to get some " knowledge "

>on how to help my mom...she was diagnosed with breast cancer approx 3 months

back, with a 6 cm tumor on her right breast and a couple of

> > smaller tumors growing in the right arm pit/lymph node area...

[Guest guest]

Which did you use Cantron or Protocel?

Dorothy