cesium

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[ ] Re: VINCENT GAMMIL

Jim writes:

> Hi all. I have just been to a seminar where the speaker was a biochemist

> by the name of Barefoot. He was very high on the values of

> calcium and cesium. The gist of his presentation was that if you can

> change the body from acidic to alkaline then you will be disease free

> and he indicated that this can be done in five weeks by taking cesium.

>

> Has anybody come across this gentleman befor or does anybody have any

> comments regarding sthe validity of this process.

Jim,

There are several pH strategies that can be effective. I've watched the

use of cesium for about ten years. I don't think it is that effective as it

is not something that you can count on to work. Cesium chloride is cheap to

make and can be sold at a considerable mark-up. If it worked all the

clinics would be doing it. You can say this about any treatment (such as

calcium) that is cheap and easy to do. If it worked all the clinics would

be including it in their protocols. Right now these therapies are being

marketing driven -- Alan Hoffman with cesium and Bob Barefoot with the

calcium. I do think that both fellows are sincere, its just that profits

have clouded their judgement.

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What kind of experience? We've used it clinically for many years? By

itself it does not cure cancer...

Dr.B.

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When you say " By itself it does not cure cancer.... " , are you referring to

the Brewer protocol as used by Neal Deoul? Please specify, and how do you

use it clinically now. My brother-in-law is now taking it (liquid) per

instructions given by a man that is friends with Neal Deoul. His CEA has

dropped from 77 to 50 using an alternative clinic in Michigan, and added the

cesium protocol to hasten the process and help with the pain. His biggest

obstacle has been anemia (not addressed by his family physician until last

week) and pain, which the cesium is supposed to help, depending on what's

actually causing the pain. Thanks.

>From: " C.Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: Re: [ ] cesium

>Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:17:37 -0800

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>What kind of experience? We've used it clinically for many years? By

>itself it does not cure cancer...

>Dr.B.

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I think a few people have died. Something you don't want to do without

medical supervision, in spite of what Barefoot says.

Loren

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I only know that if you have any heart weakness, it is very dangerous.

Toni

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You can buy it from a chemical supply house, as I did. However Brewer

(Brewer library) warns that taking too little can make the cancer

worse. You need to find people who have actually used it and gotten

cured. Mine is on the shelf, unused.

There are other things to try that can't hurt you as far as I know. One

is germanium sesquioxide. Try to find the book used at 's in

Portland. Approximate title is Miracle cure--germanium by Asahi.

Horribly expensive in the little pills at health food stores, like

$89,000 per kilo. I just am in the process of buying 2 kilos from China

for $950/kilo. Its proposed use is in a free cancer clinic near San

Diego.

Another much cheaper alternative is pau d'arco tea from www.

pau-d-arco.com. The man selling it is a retired Delta pilot and that's

all he handles. He says users get cancer cures in 3 months. I drink it

tho I have no known cancer. Not at all hard to take. He's not in it for

the money. Worth trying, and the price is right--even free first pound

if you're truly broke

Cantron is, I think, the Koch method. It works for some. There are

several things around that have potential for some cancers. I just warn

you to be under medical supervision if you do the cesium. Bob Barefoot

supplies it with his calcium and the way he does it is probably safe. A

search engine will find him.

Loren Parks, Oregon

MLPormann@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/22/02 4:48:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> Lagerstedt

> <neotell@...> writes:

>

> << where to get the cesium >>

>

> , try this URL:

>

> http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/cesium.html

>

> My D.O.'s specialty is nutrition. He ordered it in for me. It seems

> to me

> that I have read that it used to be available sold directly to the

> consumer.

> Apparently that's not the case anymore. It must be obtained through a

> health

> care provider.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Marcy

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.cesium-chloride.com/ I understand you must take at least 3 gms

daily, plus a few other supplements with it, and should if at all possible

be under supervision of someone knowledgeable of it's use. Envia

www.eniva.com has it in liquid form. My brother-in-law did not see the rapid

reduction in pain as discussed, but his may be because of the location of

the tumor....a very precarious one.

White Tea

Cantron is not Koch (Dr. F. Koch) www.williamfkoch.com I researched

him for about 6 months in 2000, and can tell you Koch's glyoxylide does

exist, only not not in the U.S., legally that is. How do I know? Well,

figure it out.

Cantron was first called Jim's Juice, developed by a chemist named Jim

Sheridan in the late 1930's and 1940's. He worked for Dow Chemical (who

defended Koch in court). Mr. Dow himself would not contribute to the ACS as

he saw through the smoke screen way back then, and said the cancer industry

was just a bottomless money pit. This was in the 1930's and 1940's remember.

Dow also hired Sheridan to investigate Koch's SSR glyoxylide, and he came

back to report it was exactly as Koch claimed from a chemist's standpoint.

Sheridan quit Dow in 1947 I believe

I've been to the Cantron monthly meeting in November 2000. If it is a

scam, there sure are a lot of people getting spontaneous remission by

placebo. When I was there I expected it to be a room with maybe 20 or 30

people. I was shocked to find there was 250+, and over 100 lined up to buy

the Cantron. The group is non-profit and " sell " all their products,

including Cantron, at cost. Yep, a bunch of MLM money grabbers...NOT. Some

have a court injunction not to sell it, so they just become delivery boys.

The reason I became interested in Cantron was because of the Jim Sheridan

connection to Koch. I called the group " mother " , Ollie Brezinski I believe.

During the discussion, I discovered she not only knew Koch personally, but

his son was living in Grosse Pointe, Michigan! He, his son and Jim Sheridan

were all friends of hers.

Of course, you can believe the NCI, FDA and whatever, but personally I

don't believe anything they say anymore. The fact is FDA is here for one

main purpose, and that is to protect the incomes of the medical cartel. Read

more about Cantron's testing done by NCI (not published) and decide for

yourselves. I don't personally know anyone that has used it for their

cancer, but met several that have.

http://www.handpen.com/Cancell/testr.htm

I was told by one of the founding members of the group it can be applied

externally as well, but is illegal to say so (not surprising). I have used

other products for skin cancer and moles, and will try Cantron for a mole.

>From: LP <parksl@...>

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>Subject: Re: [ ] Cesium

>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:10:34 -0800

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>You can buy it from a chemical supply house, as I did. However Brewer

>(Brewer library) warns that taking too little can make the cancer

>worse. You need to find people who have actually used it and gotten

>cured. Mine is on the shelf, unused.

>

>There are other things to try that can't hurt you as far as I know. One

>is germanium sesquioxide. Try to find the book used at 's in

>Portland. Approximate title is Miracle cure--germanium by Asahi.

>Horribly expensive in the little pills at health food stores, like

>$89,000 per kilo. I just am in the process of buying 2 kilos from China

>for $950/kilo. Its proposed use is in a free cancer clinic near San

>Diego.

>

>Another much cheaper alternative is pau d'arco tea from www.

>pau-d-arco.com. The man selling it is a retired Delta pilot and that's

>all he handles. He says users get cancer cures in 3 months. I drink it

>tho I have no known cancer. Not at all hard to take. He's not in it for

>the money. Worth trying, and the price is right--even free first pound

>if you're truly broke

>

>Cantron is, I think, the Koch method. It works for some. There are

>several things around that have potential for some cancers. I just warn

>you to be under medical supervision if you do the cesium. Bob Barefoot

>supplies it with his calcium and the way he does it is probably safe. A

>search engine will find him.

>

>Loren Parks, Oregon

>

>MLPormann@... wrote:

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> > In a message dated 1/22/02 4:48:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > Lagerstedt

> > <neotell@...> writes:

> >

> > << where to get the cesium >>

> >

> > , try this URL:

> >

> > http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/cesium.html

> >

> > My D.O.'s specialty is nutrition. He ordered it in for me. It seems

> > to me

> > that I have read that it used to be available sold directly to the

> > consumer.

> > Apparently that's not the case anymore. It must be obtained through a

> > health

> > care provider.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Marcy

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Loren,

I added your address to my address book. It was wonderful to meet you. You

are an angel.

Love to you,

Toni

[Guest guest]

Maybe that information on cesium can be shared here, too?

In a message dated 9/13/02 11:59:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

B1@... writes:

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> Hi Dianna,

>

> Please contact Pat McNair, e-mail: pmc31724@...

>

> I just had a conversation with him this week about his experience with

> cesium chloride. He'd be glad to share it with you. He was also taking

> other supplements at the time, but I'm not sure about the coral calcium

> or Vitamin D. He's familiar with Bob Barefoot's work.

>

> Sorry, I know nothing about the harmonic cream.

>

>

> Warmly,

>

> Bill

>

> Bill

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[Guest guest]

At 10:17 AM 09/13/2002, you wrote:

>anyone have experience with or knowlege of cesium for pain and reduction of

>tumor size- taken along with Barefoot's coral calcium and mega doses of

>VitD...?

>

>also, Wolfe Clinic's Vital therapy harmonic cream...?

>

>-dianna

Hi Dianna,

Please contact Pat McNair, e-mail: pmc31724@...

I just had a conversation with him this week about his experience with

cesium chloride. He'd be glad to share it with you. He was also taking

other supplements at the time, but I'm not sure about the coral calcium

or Vitamin D. He's familiar with Bob Barefoot's work.

Sorry, I know nothing about the harmonic cream.

Warmly,

Bill

Bill

Prevention and Treatment

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[Guest guest]

At 11:14 AM 09/13/2002, you wrote:

> Maybe that information on cesium can be shared here, too?

Hi folks,

I'll give you what I have heard from two of my readers about their

experience with Cesium Chloride. The first lady cautioned that it

must be taken with food to avoid stomach bleeding and irritation.

She also said that it must be taken with potassium and " other

supplements " (probably Vitamins A and D) to avoid heart palpit-

ations.

I discussed it with the other reader on the telephone. He has

taken lots of supplements and tested their effect on his PSA.

He said that cesium chloride had the most effect (down 30% in

about a month). However, he was taking three of the 500 mg

tablets a day. That was obviously excessive, but when he began

getting heart palpitations, he stopped taking it. Also, he was

not aware of the need to combine it with potassium and vitamins.

The best source I have found for it is:

http://www.TheWolfeClinic.com/cesium.html

They have tablets in various sizes -- 10 mg, 50 mg, 100 mg, 500 mg

and 1,000 mg. A bottle of 100 of the 500 mg tablets, for example,

costs $75. A bottle of 100 of the 10 mg tablets costs $29.95. Dr.

Wolfe is available for telephone consultation on dosage and other

questions such as which other supplements to take with it (phone

numbers at the web site above).

Bob Barefoot's book " The Calcium Factor " has some interesting

info on Cesium Chloride, including Dr. H. Sartori's book " Cesium

Therapy in Cancer Patients " (see p. 68). You can find this book

at:

http://www.cureamerica.net

The reason it is being discussed here is Cesium Chloride's success

in relieving extreme cancer pain in 2-3 days and also success in

remissions for " terminal " cancer patients documented by Dr. Sartori

and Dr. Otto Warburg.

All the best,

Warmly,

Bill

Bill

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[Guest guest]

From: edward_415 <edward_415@...>

> Leonard..........do you have an opinion of the Cesium therapy, such

> as what the Wolfe Clinic suggests

I think it can be quite effective but is very grueling on the body (if taken in

the high dosages that are needed to be effective) and is best done only under

medical supervision, and probably only as a last resort.

> I am also on the Hulda protocal. Thanks.

Don't know how cesium interacts w/ protocol.

[Guest guest]

I have not used Cesium, however, it is one of the 'fall-back' things I might

do should it seem necessary. I read a lot about it and Dr. Ralph Moss

includes some info on this treatment in his book, Cancer Therapy.

Apparently areas that have large amounts of Cesium in the soil have much

less reduced cancer????

The information also touches on Rubidium as well. So, keep us informed

as to what you believe it is doing for you.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Hello, And thank you for the information,

Earl Muses

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I would like to post again and let the members of this list know my

experience with cesium. I am using it topically (through the skin)

rather than orally, as it bothered my digestion when I took it

internally. I spray the cesium on in an equal mixture of cesium

chloride, dmso and water 3 - 4 times a day. My urine pH is now 8. I

have stage IV breast cancer and a fairly large tumor. The cesium has

caused the tumor to begin to break up, and I'm using enzymes to help

move things along. If you are interested in using cesium, I recommend

talking with one of these people:

Larry at essenseoflife.com

Dr. Wolfe at www.thewolfeclinic.com

or who can be emailed at dynamiclifeandhealth@...

They all have extensive experience using cesium (I've talked with all

three of them!)

Best to everyone.

Eve

www.dreamingfox.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I agree with you that cesium chloride is a desperate option and I would

be very queasy going that route, unless really against the wall.

Thanks for the info.

With kind regards, Slavek

VGammill wrote:

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> Cesium chloride was a fad in the Mexican clinics in the early

> 1980s. There were wonderfully creative stories behind its rationale

> and it wasn't particularly expensive. The clinics gave up on it

> because the results weren't impressive and most patients couldn't put

> up with the corrosive effect on the stomach.

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Thanks

VGammill wrote:

> Cesium chloride was a fad in the Mexican clinics in the early

> 1980s. There were wonderfully creative stories behind its rationale

> and it wasn't particularly expensive. The clinics gave up on it

> because the results weren't impressive and most patients couldn't put

> up with the corrosive effect on the stomach.

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> One clinic still used it as an IV along with aloe. This was

> " Europa " in Tijuana which was operated by a physician whom I consider

> to be an honest man, Jeff Freeman. One person I was working with (36

> y/o R.) had inflammatory breast cancer with mets to the lungs

> and liver. While working with her (mostly using the " Cyprus

> treatment " ) she seemed to have growth in her breast, stable disease

> in her lungs, and major shrinkage in her liver mets. We were about

> to beef up her program when she asked me about doing cesium with Jeff.

>

> I advised against it as she had early cardiac problems with

> herceptin, but I checked with Jeff anyway. I asked Jeff how many

> patients with liver mets had tried cesium at his clinic. He told me

> about a dozen. I asked how they fared and he told me that one was

> still alive. I told to go ahead and try the aloe but steer

> clear of the cesium.

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> There were additional reasons that I was not impressed with

> cesium: Filiberto Munoz (med. director of the San Diego Clinc) told

> me that he knew of nine patients who had died after using cesium. I

> spoke with a physician who had a clinic in New York, Thom Lodi. Thom

> new of a 26 y/o woman who had used it. It did greatly reduce her

> mass but she suddenly died. Thom surmised that it was from

> inadequate potassium.

>

> I could not find good research to support its use, to support its

> rationale, or to substantiate the supposed cures. The Brewer Science

> Library did provide interesting information about it, but the

> research was largely based on the use of cesium carbonate, and not

> the much less expensive cesium chloride.

>

> arranged for the aloe infusion which was supervised at Jeff's

> clinic by Hofman who was marketing the combination of cesium

> chloride with aloe as a product called T-Up. did the therapy

> and immediately became extremely weak and incapacitated. Hoffman

> admitted to her that he added cesium chloride without telling

> her. She was EXTREMELY annoyed by this and somehow word got to the

> FDA. They asked her to testify in land against Hoffman but she

> refused saying that this would be too draining on her and she was

> waiting in the San Francisco Bay Area to start on an updated version

> of Herceptin, a med that had worked for her in the past. Before she

> could start she died.

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> Every once in a while I hear of cesium popping up again. Sometimes

> as a colloid or whatever form the marketers can dream up. It is

> impossible to get straight answers from the sellers. Like so many

> other conventional and alternative distortive therapies it might

> selectively kill susceptible high grade cancer cells (and perhaps a

> certain number of non-transformed cells) and then just stop working.

>

> Any time a product like this becomes a fad, the FDA will ignore it or

> come after it the way they did in this case. Of course the FDA says

> that there is insufficient evidence to support its use, medical

> claims are being made, and perhaps someone was harmed. What the FDA

> and NCI don't do is any unbiased assessment to see if maybe, just

> maybe, there is something to it, or to determine the circumstances

> for which it might have benefit.

>

> In some ways I do appreciate the naive and chaotic way such

> inexpensive cancer treatments evolve. Flax oil, for example, seems

> to have merit. Despite its lack of formal research tens of thousands

> of people have used it in various incarnations over several hundred

> years. In recent times the character of home grown research has

> evolved from pockets of people in different cultures working up the

> many variations, to the 21st century with our instant internet

> interaction. I have seen the internet completely transform

> communication about popular back-room AIDS meds, about

> muscle-building meds, etc. Now I often see fads play themselves out

> in about three months. How about the crazy use of maple syrup and

> baking soda? It will pop up again and again for years to come, but

> the popularizers of this are already off to the next big thing.

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> I will probably get emails from those who believe that cesium saved

> their lives. Maybe it did. All I can do is report my observations.

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