Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2007 I became obssesed with researching on the vac subject > and have come to realize they are worthless when it comes to > protecting against most disease and just is causing a medical > epedimic in our country but making some very wealthy(2nd biggest > money maker in the world, *Very well said. This really is what it is all about. Drug maker profits. They know that vaccines (and most drugs, for that matter) are dangerous and they simply DON'T care. Please don't be fooled by all the vaccine hype because there is a large misconception/fraud going on in this country when it comes to the health of our children. Sheresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2007 Drea, I also live in AZ but I am more worried about the vac's than the diseases. It is always a hard decision. Re: Autism chances in second child Hi , I We did not follow the pediatricians recommended schedule. At 15 months when it was time for the MMR we first were going to seperate the vaccine and give them separately over several months but then decided to forgo further vaccinations altogether on the advice of DD's DAN! . <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=3297531/grpspId=1705061616/msgId =101744/stime=1171044100/nc1=3848645/nc2=4025377/nc3=3> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2007 >>Do any of you worry about this sort > of thing by not vaccinating your child(ren)? Or do you beleive that you are > strengthening their immune systems so they are able to fight the virus that > causes measles or mumps? I have strengthened my kids' immune systems, so if they ever get the diseases, they will most likely have mild cases. > I wonder if 3 separate vaccines would be the best way to approach this. > Single dose vials. And maybe even wait until she's older. This is a good way to do it, if you want to give the vaccines. I have info on where you can purchase the single dose vaccines here http://www.danasview.net/myvaxopn.htm >> The CDC says there > is no thimerisol in the MMR, but would that mean no " reported " thimerisol > (for multiple use vaccine), some small amount that they don't have to > report? MMR is a live virus vaccine [you are injecting live viruses into the body], so adding thimerosal would kill the viruses. So no, it does not contain thimerosal, altho it does contain live viruses, and measles virus can be nasty. My son had measles virus in his brain, because his body was unable to fight off what was injected into him by the MMR. Dana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2008 Holy cow! Crapola is right! I'm just disgusted now. On Feb 7, 2008 1:10 PM, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote: > > Hullo Wayne. Here is the CDC's MMR schedule and some other crappola! > Glad Day ~ Karla in IL > http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2008 Holy cow! Crapola is right! I'm just disgusted now. On Feb 7, 2008 1:10 PM, karla walsh <faerie1952@...> wrote: > > Hullo Wayne. Here is the CDC's MMR schedule and some other crappola! > Glad Day ~ Karla in IL > http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2009 As long as you believe the vaccine works, those uncomfortable feelings will be there. So, until that time comes--and it may not--I suggest instead of looking at the worst case scenario with measles, mumps, and rubella, look at the best case scenarios--the way you are with your nieces and nephews who are seemingly fine with their vaccines. These diseases are not the killers and maimers of children the way they are portrayed. Most children are just fine with them, same as we're told with vaccines. And there are long-term effects to vaccines that your nieces and nephews have yet to show. AND you are not seeing those children who were irreversibly damaged by the MMR. They are not in school, they are not at camp, they are not playing baseball or the piano, they are not going to birthday parties, on playdates or sleepovers. They are in special schools, they are home with their unemployed parents who can't leave them unattended and can't afford paying someone to look after them, they are in institutions, and some are in their graves. There's a reason you can't bring yourself to give him the vaccine. Your instincts are telling you not to. Trust them. Winnie Chicken Pox Treatment - Will MD > Homeopath > vaccinations > > > > I posted this before from Will ...save for future use > > > > Sheri > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > Chickenpox > > > > While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy > merely on the > > basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one > remedy that is > > homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - > it is also > > the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a > distinct enough > > stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have > a small > > enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk > about them. > > With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather > small materia > > medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of > chickenpox at > > home. > > > > Good resources for the materia medica (information on > appropriate remedies) > > needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be > found in any > > of the following books: > > > > -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite > home-care > > reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to > acute-care > > prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should > be this > > one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to > procede with > > preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book > and perhaps > > one or two of the following list as well. > > > > -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children > > - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy > > -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines > > -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants > > -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home > > > > Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy > that a > > homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would > recommend > you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: > > > > (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every > person with > > chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do > not. A very > > healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of > spots, a runny > > nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that > may last a > > few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not > emerge clearly > > in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths > with oatmeal* > > for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of > a cut-out > > cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to > them from > > Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now > we are > > Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub > is the most > > consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. > > > > * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple > > tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when > you draw the > > bath. > > > > If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern > of response > > - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a > disturbing cough, > > mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or > clinginess, > difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking > for help, > > and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The > following > short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of > chickenpox > you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge > variety of > > remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally > recommend > that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in > 12C potencies. > > Most of the following will be in a kit put together for > homecare, such as > > the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington > Homeopathic > Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the > home-care > > manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. > > > > These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've > prescribed them > > for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least > frequent. The > > pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing > these remedies > > will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but > use them as > > a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. > > > > (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) > > When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this > remedy, it is > > usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that > > identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of > " Chickenpox " > are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, > the child is > > weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The > itching is > > worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they > are likely > > to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, > etc. Bedtime > > is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & > warmth of the > > bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. > Despite fever > > they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on > lying down > > at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving > air & on > > sitting up. > > > > (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) > > The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state > calling for > > this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and > emotional > restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because > restlessness > makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They > may wake > > exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the > > parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness > > driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially > at night, > > but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with > cold, and > > relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they > feel they > > have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The > pox may be > > expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid > which may run > > when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue > keynote > reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus- > tox picture. > > > > (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) > > Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need > for this > > remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the > > concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate > > Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the > case, but do not > > ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to > supportive > care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The > rash may be > > large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - > sometimes it > > is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this > character that > > alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic > > cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting > to be > > looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. > > > > (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) > > Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill- > temper is much > > more evident. > > > > (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) > > High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with > pus-filled > > blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with > soreness of the > > affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of > > temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are > > normally pretty sick. > > > > (7) Aconite > > Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state > generally are > > well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time > they get into > > my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone > prescription. > Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to > midnight, with > > fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they > don't respond > > as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes > often begins > > following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably > wouldn't know > > it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the > next day; if > > the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the > concerns that > > the rash might raise directly. > > > > (8) Belladonna > > Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, > worse in the > > mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the > afternoon > nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may > be cool. > > Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually > early in the > > illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the > rash itself > > doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. > > > > (9) Sulphur > > Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on > with slow > > recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, > uncovering > at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with > redness about > > the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. > > > > Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, > where you > > can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited > range of > > possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself > to learning > > good homoeopathy. > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine > Dangers & > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2009 Thankyou for your reply.Its really helped and I will listen to my gut instint. Dawn > From: Roberg > Subject: (For ) Fwd: Chicken Pox Treatment - > Will MD Homeopath > " vaccinations " > Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 7:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > More CP info from Sheri. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sheri Nakken > > Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM > > Subject: Chicken Pox Treatment - Will MD > Homeopath > vaccinations > > > > I posted this before from Will ...save for future use > > > > Sheri > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > Chickenpox > > > > While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy > merely on the > > basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one > remedy that is > > homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - > it is also > > the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a > distinct enough > > stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have > a small > > enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk > about them. > > With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather > small materia > > medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of > chickenpox at > > home. > > > > Good resources for the materia medica (information on > appropriate remedies) > > needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be > found in any > > of the following books: > > > > -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite > home-care > > reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to > acute-care > > prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should > be this > > one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to > procede with > > preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book > and perhaps > > one or two of the following list as well. > > > > -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children > > - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy > > -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines > > -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants > > -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home > > > > Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy > that a > > homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would > recommend > you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: > > > > (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every > person with > > chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do > not. A very > > healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of > spots, a runny > > nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that > may last a > > few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not > emerge clearly > > in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths > with oatmeal* > > for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of > a cut-out > > cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to > them from > > Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now > we are > > Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub > is the most > > consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. > > > > * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple > > tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when > you draw the > > bath. > > > > If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern > of response > > - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a > disturbing cough, > > mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or > clinginess, > difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking > for help, > > and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The > following > short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of > chickenpox > you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge > variety of > > remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally > recommend > that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in > 12C potencies. > > Most of the following will be in a kit put together for > homecare, such as > > the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington > Homeopathic > Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the > home-care > > manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. > > > > These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've > prescribed them > > for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least > frequent. The > > pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing > these remedies > > will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but > use them as > > a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. > > > > (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) > > When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this > remedy, it is > > usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that > > identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of > " Chickenpox " > are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, > the child is > > weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The > itching is > > worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they > are likely > > to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, > etc. Bedtime > > is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & > warmth of the > > bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. > Despite fever > > they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on > lying down > > at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving > air & on > > sitting up. > > > > (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) > > The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state > calling for > > this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and > emotional > restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because > restlessness > makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They > may wake > > exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the > > parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness > > driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially > at night, > > but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with > cold, and > > relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they > feel they > > have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The > pox may be > > expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid > which may run > > when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue > keynote > reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus- > tox picture. > > > > (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) > > Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need > for this > > remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the > > concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate > > Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the > case, but do not > > ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to > supportive > care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The > rash may be > > large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - > sometimes it > > is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this > character that > > alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic > > cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting > to be > > looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. > > > > (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) > > Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill- > temper is much > > more evident. > > > > (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) > > High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with > pus-filled > > blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with > soreness of the > > affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of > > temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are > > normally pretty sick. > > > > (7) Aconite > > Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state > generally are > > well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time > they get into > > my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone > prescription. > Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to > midnight, with > > fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they > don't respond > > as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes > often begins > > following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably > wouldn't know > > it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the > next day; if > > the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the > concerns that > > the rash might raise directly. > > > > (8) Belladonna > > Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, > worse in the > > mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the > afternoon > nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may > be cool. > > Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually > early in the > > illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the > rash itself > > doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. > > > > (9) Sulphur > > Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on > with slow > > recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, > uncovering > at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with > redness about > > the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. > > > > Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, > where you > > can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited > range of > > possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself > to learning > > good homoeopathy. > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine > Dangers & > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2009 You're welcome. You know, there are many things we make decisions on that we're not 100% sure about. It's tough being a parent and having the responsibility fall all on you. It's not just vaccines. It's should I let my son play football, especially if he's already had a concussion (yes, but not after a second one); should I let my 18 yr-old drive five hours each way to pick a friend up from college (no, even though another friend did it and they made it back alive); should I leave my 13-yr-old home alone on a Friday night for two hours (depends on the kid). And those examples don't involve legal mandates and societal pressure one way or another. It's very hard. Some days I just want to quit...sigh. Winnie Chicken Pox Treatment - Will MD > > > Homeopath > > > vaccinations > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before from Will ...save for future use > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheri > > > > > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > > > > > > > > > Chickenpox > > > > > > > > > > > > While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy > > > merely on the > > > > > > basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one > > > remedy that is > > > > > > homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - > > > > it is also > > > > > > the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a > > > distinct enough > > > > > > stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - > have > > > a small > > > > > > enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk > > > about them. > > > > > > With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather > > > small materia > > > > > > medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of > > > chickenpox at > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good resources for the materia medica (information on > > > appropriate remedies) > > > > > > needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can > be > > > found in any > > > > > > of the following books: > > > > > > > > > > > > -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite > > > home-care > > > > > > reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to > > > acute-care > > > > > > prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it > should > > > be this > > > > > > one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to > > > procede with > > > > > > preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book > > > and perhaps > > > > > > one or two of the following list as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children > > > > > > - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy > > > > > > -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines > > > > > > -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants > > > > > > -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing that the following list does not include *every* > remedy > > > that a > > > > > > homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I > would > > > recommend > > > you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably > prepared: > > > > > > > > > > > (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every > > > person with > > > > > > chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do > > > not. A very > > > > > > healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of > > > spots, a runny > > > > > > nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy > that > > > may last a > > > > > > few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not > > > emerge clearly > > > > > > in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths > > > with oatmeal* > > > > > > for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out > of > > > a cut-out > > > > > > cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to > > > them from > > > > > > Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from > Now > > > we are > > > > > > Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a > backrub > > > is the most > > > > > > consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. > > > > > > > > > > > > * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple > > > > > > tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet > when > > > you draw the > > > > > > bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the illness takes a course departing from this normal > pattern > > > of response > > > > > > - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a > > > disturbing cough, > > > > > > mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability > or > > > clinginess, > > > difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is > asking > > > for help, > > > > > > and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The > > > following > > > short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of > > > chickenpox > > > you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge > > > variety of > > > > > > remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I > generally > > > recommend > > > that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in > > > 12C potencies. > > > > > > Most of the following will be in a kit put together for > > > homecare, such as > > > > > > the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington > > > Homeopathic > > > Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in > the > > > home-care > > > > > > manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've > > > prescribed them > > > > > > for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least > > > frequent. The > > > > > > pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing > > > these remedies > > > > > > will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, > but > > > use them as > > > > > > a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) > > > > > > When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this > > > remedy, it is > > > > > > usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the > person that > > > > > > identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of > > > " Chickenpox " > > > are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, > > > the child is > > > > > > weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. > The > > > itching is > > > > > > worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so > they > > > are likely > > > > > > to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, > > > etc. Bedtime > > > > > > is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & > > > warmth of the > > > > > > bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. > > > Despite fever > > > > > > they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse > on > > > lying down > > > > > > at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & > moving > > > air & on > > > > > > sitting up. > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) > > > > > > The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state > > > calling for > > > > > > this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical > and > > > emotional > > > restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because > > > restlessness > > > makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. > They > > > may wake > > > > > > exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come > into the > > > > > > parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of > restlessness > > > > > driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, > especially > > > at night, > > > > > > but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with > > > cold, and > > > > > > relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and > they > > > feel they > > > > > > have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The > > > pox may be > > > > > > expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid > > > which may run > > > > > > when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped > tongue > > > keynote > > > reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a > Rhus- > > > tox picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) > > > > > > Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the > need > > > for this > > > > > > remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, > raising the > > > > > > concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate > > > > > > Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the > > > case, but do not > > > > > > ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to > > > supportive > > > care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The > > > rash may be > > > > > > large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - > > > sometimes it > > > > > > is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this > > > character that > > > > > > alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of > problematic > > > > > cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not > wanting > > > to be > > > > > > looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) > > > > > > Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill- > > > temper is much > > > > > > more evident. > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) > > > > > > High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions > with > > > pus-filled > > > > > > blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with > > > soreness of the > > > > > > affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of > > > > > > temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These > kids are > > > > > > normally pretty sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) Aconite > > > > > > Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state > > > generally are > > > > > > well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time > > > they get into > > > > > > my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone > > > prescription. > > > Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to > > > midnight, with > > > > > > fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they > > > don't respond > > > > > > as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes > > > often begins > > > > > > following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably > > > wouldn't know > > > > > > it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the > > > next day; if > > > > > > the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the > > > concerns that > > > > > > the rash might raise directly. > > > > > > > > > > > > (8) Belladonna > > > > > > Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, > > > worse in the > > > > > > mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the > > > afternoon > > > nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet > may > > > be cool. > > > > > > Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually > > > early in the > > > > > > illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the > > > rash itself > > > > > > doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. > > > > > > > > > > > > (9) Sulphur > > > > > > Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged > on > > > with slow > > > > > > recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. > Warm, > > > uncovering > > > at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with > > > redness about > > > > > > the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as > this, > > > where you > > > > > > can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a > limited > > > range of > > > > > > possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself > > > to learning > > > > > > good homoeopathy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > > > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & > Wales UK > > > > > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine > > > Dangers & > > > > > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 > & 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2009 excellent Winnie Sheri At 04:30 PM 2/22/2009, you wrote: >As long as you believe the vaccine works, those uncomfortable >feelings will be there. So, until that time comes--and it may not--I >suggest instead of looking at the worst case scenario with measles, >mumps, and rubella, look at the best case scenarios--the way you are >with your nieces and nephews who are seemingly fine with their vaccines. > >These diseases are not the killers and maimers of children the way >they are portrayed. Most children are just fine with them, same as >we're told with vaccines. And there are long-term effects to >vaccines that your nieces and nephews have yet to show. > >AND you are not seeing those children who were irreversibly damaged >by the MMR. They are not in school, they are not at camp, they are >not playing baseball or the piano, they are not going to birthday >parties, on playdates or sleepovers. > >They are in special schools, they are home with their unemployed >parents who can't leave them unattended and can't afford paying >someone to look after them, they are in institutions, and some are >in their graves. > >There's a reason you can't bring yourself to give him the vaccine. >Your instincts are telling you not to. Trust them. > >Winnie > > > Chicken Pox Treatment - Will MD > > Homeopath > > vaccinations > > > > > > > > I posted this before from Will ...save for future use > > > > > > > > Sheri > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > > > > > Chickenpox > > > > > > > > While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy > > merely on the > > > > basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one > > remedy that is > > > > homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - > > it is also > > > > the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a > > distinct enough > > > > stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have > > a small > > > > enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk > > about them. > > > > With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather > > small materia > > > > medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of > > chickenpox at > > > > home. > > > > > > > > Good resources for the materia medica (information on > > appropriate remedies) > > > > needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be > > found in any > > > > of the following books: > > > > > > > > -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite > > home-care > > > > reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to > > acute-care > > > > prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should > > be this > > > > one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to > > procede with > > > > preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book > > and perhaps > > > > one or two of the following list as well. > > > > > > > > -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children > > > > - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy > > > > -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines > > > > -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants > > > > -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home > > > > > > > > Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy > > that a > > > > homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would > > recommend > > you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: > > > > > > > > (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every > > person with > > > > chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do > > not. A very > > > > healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of > > spots, a runny > > > > nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that > > may last a > > > > few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not > > emerge clearly > > > > in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths > > with oatmeal* > > > > for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of > > a cut-out > > > > cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to > > them from > > > > Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now > > we are > > > > Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub > > is the most > > > > consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. > > > > > > > > * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple > > > > tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when > > you draw the > > > > bath. > > > > > > > > If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern > > of response > > > > - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a > > disturbing cough, > > > > mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or > > clinginess, > > difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking > > for help, > > > > and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The > > following > > short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of > > chickenpox > > you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge > > variety of > > > > remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally > > recommend > > that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in > > 12C potencies. > > > > Most of the following will be in a kit put together for > > homecare, such as > > > > the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington > > Homeopathic > > Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the > > home-care > > > > manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. > > > > > > > > These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've > > prescribed them > > > > for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least > > frequent. The > > > > pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing > > these remedies > > > > will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but > > use them as > > > > a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. > > > > > > > > (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) > > > > When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this > > remedy, it is > > > > usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that > > > > identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of > > " Chickenpox " > > are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, > > the child is > > > > weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The > > itching is > > > > worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they > > are likely > > > > to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, > > etc. Bedtime > > > > is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & > > warmth of the > > > > bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. > > Despite fever > > > > they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on > > lying down > > > > at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving > > air & on > > > > sitting up. > > > > > > > > (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) > > > > The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state > > calling for > > > > this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and > > emotional > > restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because > > restlessness > > makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They > > may wake > > > > exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the > > > > parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness > > > > driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially > > at night, > > > > but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with > > cold, and > > > > relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they > > feel they > > > > have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The > > pox may be > > > > expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid > > which may run > > > > when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue > > keynote > > reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus- > > tox picture. > > > > > > > > (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) > > > > Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need > > for this > > > > remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the > > > > concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate > > > > Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the > > case, but do not > > > > ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to > > supportive > > care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The > > rash may be > > > > large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - > > sometimes it > > > > is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this > > character that > > > > alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic > > > > cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting > > to be > > > > looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. > > > > > > > > (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) > > > > Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill- > > temper is much > > > > more evident. > > > > > > > > (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) > > > > High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with > > pus-filled > > > > blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with > > soreness of the > > > > affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of > > > > temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are > > > > normally pretty sick. > > > > > > > > (7) Aconite > > > > Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state > > generally are > > > > well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time > > they get into > > > > my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone > > prescription. > > Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to > > midnight, with > > > > fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they > > don't respond > > > > as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes > > often begins > > > > following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably > > wouldn't know > > > > it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the > > next day; if > > > > the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the > > concerns that > > > > the rash might raise directly. > > > > > > > > (8) Belladonna > > > > Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, > > worse in the > > > > mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the > > afternoon > > nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may > > be cool. > > > > Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually > > early in the > > > > illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the > > rash itself > > > > doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. > > > > > > > > (9) Sulphur > > > > Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on > > with slow > > > > recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, > > uncovering > > at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with > > redness about > > > > the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. > > > > > > > > Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, > > where you > > > > can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited > > range of > > > > possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself > > to learning > > > > good homoeopathy. > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine > > Dangers & > > > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2009 just want to add DAWN: You will be MUCH happier down the line (in the future) that you didn't give your kids the MMR vaccine. Once you have read/know the dangers of any vaccine and the lifelong conditions/ailments they creat..you will be happy. I am so happy , never doubt my decision, that I don't vaccinate. I hope you can be in this place also. Iveta > > > From: Roberg > > > Subject: (For ) Fwd: Chicken Pox Treatment - > > > Will MD Homeopath > > > " vaccinations " > > > Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 7:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More CP info from Sheri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > From: Sheri Nakken > > > > > > Date: Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM > > > > > > Subject: Chicken Pox Treatment - Will MD > > > Homeopath > > > vaccinations > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before from Will ...save for future use > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheri > > > > > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > > > > > > > > > Chickenpox > > > > > > > > > > > > While it is true that we cannot select a homoeopathic remedy > > > merely on the > > > > > > basis of the name of the disease - we need to select the one > > > remedy that is > > > > > > homoeopathic to the disharmony of the patient we are treating - > > > it is also > > > > > > the case that the epidemic illness of chickenpox impresses a > > > distinct enough > > > > > > stamp on the organism that we - even in our individuality - have > > > a small > > > > > > enough range of common responses that it is meaningful to talk > > > about them. > > > > > > With some understanding of acute-care prescribing & a rather > > > small materia > > > > > > medica, it is possible to effectively treat most cases of > > > chickenpox at > > > > > > home. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good resources for the materia medica (information on > > > appropriate remedies) > > > > > > needed for home prescribing for patients with chickenpox can be > > > found in any > > > > > > of the following books: > > > > > > > > > > > > -Miranda Castro, The Complete Homeopathy Handbook (my favorite > > > home-care > > > > > > reference by a long shot - this takes a classical approach to > > > acute-care > > > > > > prescribing, and if you only have one home-care book, it should > > > be this > > > > > > one). If you find my comments below interesting, and wish to > > > procede with > > > > > > preparing yourself to do homoeopathic home care, buy this book > > > and perhaps > > > > > > one or two of the following list as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Phyllis Speight, Homoeopathic Remedies for Children > > > > > > - Hammond, How to Use Homoeopathy > > > > > > -Cummings & Ullman, Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicines > > > > > > -Dana Ullman, Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants > > > > > > -Panos & Heimlich, Homeopathic Medicine at Home > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing that the following list does not include *every* remedy > > > that a > > > > > > homoeopath might use to treat patients with chickenpox, I would > > > recommend > > > you have the following in your medicine kit to be reasonably prepared: > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) " An empty bottle " (I'm kindof teasing here) - not every > > > person with > > > > > > chickenpox needs to be treated, and in my experience most do > > > not. A very > > > > > > healthy response to this virus involves a small smattering of > > > spots, a runny > > > > > > nose, a low-grade fever & perhaps some small drop in energy that > > > may last a > > > > > > few days. If the picture of a homoeopathic remedy does not > > > emerge clearly > > > > > > in the child, don't treat them. Give them hugs, fluids, baths > > > with oatmeal* > > > > > > for itching, one of those really neat bed-tables you make out of > > > a cut-out > > > > > > cardboard packing box with cut-outs for a bowl & cup, read to > > > them from > > > > > > Winnie-the-Pooh, etc. (especially " Wheezles & Sneezles " from Now > > > we are > > > > > > Six). For my oldest boy (now 10), raspberry sherbet & a backrub > > > is the most > > > > > > consistently effective remedy for any ailment that comes along. > > > > > > > > > > > > * - grind rolled oats in a blender or food processor, put a couple > > > > > > tablespoons in a hank or dishrag & hang it from the faucet when > > > you draw the > > > > > > bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > If the illness takes a course departing from this normal pattern > > > of response > > > > > > - e.g. excessive itching, horrible-looking eruption, a > > > disturbing cough, > > > > > > mental/emotional difficulties such as excessive irritability or > > > clinginess, > > > difficulties with sleeping, or whatever, the organism is asking > > > for help, > > > > > > and the appropriate remedy will get things back on track. The > > > following > > > short list of 8 remedies will cover about 95% of the cases of > > > chickenpox > > > you'll encounter; the remaining 5% will need any one of a huge > > > variety of > > > > > > remedies at the discretion of a trained homoeopath. I generally > > > recommend > > > that my patients who stock remedies for home care get them in > > > 12C potencies. > > > > > > Most of the following will be in a kit put together for > > > homecare, such as > > > > > > the 50-remedy kit of 12C potencies put together by Washington > > > Homeopathic > > > Products. Dosing, repetition of dose, etc. are discussed in the > > > home-care > > > > > > manuals above, most thoroughly in Miranda Castro's book. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are listed in order of the frequency with which I've > > > prescribed them > > > > > > for patients with chickenpox, from most frequent to least > > > frequent. The > > > > > > pictures below are fragmentary pictures of how kids needing > > > these remedies > > > > > > will look in a bout of chickenpox - don't rely just on them, but > > > use them as > > > > > > a jumping-off point in working with your reading resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) Pulsatilla nigrans (perhaps 60% of the cases I've treated) > > > > > > When the child has developed the disharmony calling for this > > > remedy, it is > > > > > > usually the mental/emotional and general symptoms of the person that > > > > > > identify the match to this remedy. The classical symptoms of > > > " Chickenpox " > > > are not that remarkable - modest rash, modest fever. However, > > > the child is > > > > > > weepy, clingy, wants to be held & to sleep with the parent. The > > > itching is > > > > > > worse from heat, such as a hot bath or heat of the bed, so they > > > are likely > > > > > > to uncover, sleep poorly in a warm room, prever a tepid bath, > > > etc. Bedtime > > > > > > is especially hard, because of separation from the parents & > > > warmth of the > > > > > > bed, but it's just a hard time of the day for them anyway. > > > Despite fever > > > > > > they may not be very thirsty. There may be some cough, worse on > > > lying down > > > > > > at night & from the heat of the bed, better with cooler & moving > > > air & on > > > > > > sitting up. > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Rhus toxicodendron (perhaps 15% of the cases I've treated) > > > > > > The striking symptoms indicating that the child is in a state > > > calling for > > > > > > this remedy are generally tremendous itching and a physical and > > > emotional > > > restlessness. Bedtime may be hard again, but this time because > > > restlessness > > > makes it difficult physically to lie in bed & fall asleep. They > > > may wake > > > > > > exhausted with busy dreams & have to get up - they may come into the > > > > > > parents' room, but not so much for the snuggle as out of restlessness > > > > > > driving them out of their own bed. Itching is awful, especially > > > at night, > > > > > > but not because of the heat of the bed; itching is worse with > > > cold, and > > > > > > relieved by an extremely hot bath, worse when at rest, and they > > > feel they > > > > > > have to scratch & will excoriate their rash by scratching. The > > > pox may be > > > > > > expecially large & filled with thin or thick pus-like fluid > > > which may run > > > > > > when the blisters break. I have never seen the red-tipped tongue > > > keynote > > > reported in the literature in this acute presentation of a Rhus- > > > tox picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) Antimonium tartaricum (<10%) > > > > > > Here it is the cough that will most often alert you to the need > > > for this > > > > > > remedy. the cough may be very moist-sounding and rattly, raising the > > > > > > concern about bronchitis or pneumonia (both of which may complicate > > > > > > Chickenpox - this will often be the remedy when that is the > > > case, but do not > > > > > > ignore conventional medical supportive care [i'm refering to > > > supportive > > > care, not to allopathic treatment] if this is a concern). The > > > rash may be > > > > > > large, and may weep a yellow fluid crusting like dried honey - > > > sometimes it > > > > > > is only the appearance of an extensive eruption of this > > > character that > > > > > > alerts to the need for this remedy, even in the absence of problematic > > > > > > cough. The child will often be mildly ill-tempered, not wanting > > > to be > > > > > > looked at or touched. A white coating is often seen on the tongue. > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) Antimonium crudum (pretty unusual) > > > > > > Very much like Antimonium tartaricum, above, but when the ill- > > > temper is much > > > > > > more evident. > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) Mercurius vivus (or Mercurius solubilis) (<5%) > > > > > > High fevers, at night, with profuse sweat. Large eruptions with > > > pus-filled > > > > > > blisters and pus-like discharge that may be irritating, with > > > soreness of the > > > > > > affected skin. Much redness about the eruptions. Narrow range of > > > > > > temperature comfort - worse with cool and with heat. These kids are > > > > > > normally pretty sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) Aconite > > > > > > Usually a phase very early in the illness, folks in this state > > > generally are > > > > > > well past it & onto another phase of the illness by the time > > > they get into > > > > > > my office, so when I've given this it's usually an 11pm phone > > > prescription. > > > Very sudden onset of high fever, most often around 11pm to > > > midnight, with > > > > > > fear, night-terrors or nightmares, & tho apparently awake they > > > don't respond > > > > > > as if they were, being inconsolable in their fear. The illnes > > > often begins > > > > > > following exposure to cold wind. At this point, you probably > > > wouldn't know > > > > > > it's chickenpox yet, they probably won't break out until the > > > next day; if > > > > > > the rash has already come out, the symptoms above eclipse the > > > concerns that > > > > > > the rash might raise directly. > > > > > > > > > > > > (8) Belladonna > > > > > > Very hot, dry fever, without thirst, usually of rapid onset, > > > worse in the > > > > > > mid-afternoon & on into evening (3pm, fever on waking from the > > > afternoon > > > nap). Dry, flushed red skin, burning up tho the hands & feet may > > > be cool. > > > > > > Headache. Twitchings & startings in feverish sleep. Usually > > > early in the > > > > > > illness, & tho the rash has often come out at this point, the > > > rash itself > > > > > > doesn't seem as significant as the feverish symptoms above. > > > > > > > > > > > > (9) Sulphur > > > > > > Usually recognized as the remedy when the illness has dragged on > > > with slow > > > > > > recovery, the eruption crusty & weeping after scratching. Warm, > > > uncovering > > > at night, worse from heat (itching & generally), itching with > > > redness about > > > > > > the eruption which is worse with heat of bed or bath. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your kids! Working with an illness such as this, > > > where you > > > > > > can exercise a classical homoeopathic approach within a limited > > > range of > > > > > > possible remedy pictures, is a great way to introduce yourself > > > to learning > > > > > > good homoeopathy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Copyright 1997 Will , MD Homoeopathic Family Medicine > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > > > > > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > > > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > > > > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine > > > Dangers & > > > > > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. So here's my dilemma Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? Wait a bit longer? Don't give it to him at all? I'd love to know what you think. Liralen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 To open the debate up a bit: Why do you want to protect against rubella - i understand it only lasts for 3-5 years, and it protects girls from having difficulties in pregnancy If you dont believe me, look it up - thats how ridiculous all of this is at times And mumps similarly i believe only affects boys in teens - not so sure about this one But in reality measles is the main/ only point of MMR for most people, and even that would probably have died out anyway due to the massive improvements in hygiene these days From: liralendoncov@... Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:57:06 +0000 Subject: [ ] MMR I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. So here's my dilemma Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? Wait a bit longer? Don't give it to him at all? I'd love to know what you think. Liralen _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Thanks I've been reading for days. I agree that later and slower is better. I just haven't made a decision if now is the right time. Since I'm not sure, I'll probably delay a bit longer until I feel comfortable and more educated. > > I have an archive that may help you make an educated decision > > Re: modified vaccine schedule > > I just posted a long archive on this late last month and many people > shared links since -but wanted to just repost this one clip from the > archive about my sister in law's friend as it clearly shows that > vaccines are not the only issue (and this is also coming from me -someone > who's child clearly regressed after 2 weeks of high fevers after the > third hep shot at 11 months back in 1997 before anything was removed) > > The link I put for Dr. Gorgon in the last archive had been changed- > here's the new one with what I view as a healthy alternative. > http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/pediatricks/vacctoday.asp > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I don't think the world is black and white -all or nothing. I > also learned that following my gut is good -but hindsight > proves to be better in some cases. The best advice is to stay > informed on all sides. If you read something that upsets you > because you disagree with it, try to understand where it came from > and you may learn from it. For example Dr. Gordon may have a great > alternative -later and slower instead of never: > > " Vaccinations Today > by Dr. Jay Gordon > In my office, with families I know well, I believe that the main idea > I convey is that we should vaccinate later and slower. One shot at a > visit starting later in the first year and perhaps in the second year > of life. " > http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/pediatricks/vacctoday.asp > > This subject is one that has come up before -and will come up again. > As I posted once before -my sister in law who is a chemist for > and is friends with many medical professionals and > one of them had a child that regressed immediately after his shots > and developed autism. Based on that -as well as from looking into > vaccines further with all the doubts raised here from other concerned > parents -this educated and intelligent caring couple decided not to > vaccinate their second child at all believing their children to be at > risk for some reason. The second son -without any vaccines at all - > developed autism as well ...and has autism much more severe than the > first. If anyone needs the name and number of this family just email > me -they are from NJ so some of you may know them. " > > I'm not sure if any of you read the awesome book 'the five people > you meet in heaven' but when Eddie is meeting the second person in > heaven the one quote said to learn from is " I got all those shots > for all those diseases and I died here anyhow, healthy as a horse. " > > Vaccinations may not be the only problem, and probably isn't. And > they have saved lives too. Just stay informed of pros and cons. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ===== > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Liralen, If I was in your place I would not give him this vaccine at least until he is 4 years old. Even then - if you decide to give it to him, I would advise you to request separate vaccines for mums, measles and rubella, because as you have probably already heard the risk of regression is much smaller in this case. Personally I decided for my second kid not to vaccinate her at all until she is at least 4 years old (she is 2.5 years old and developing perfectly so far), because of the problems we have with my first kid (he is 4.5 years old and has PDD-NOS and severe verbal apraxia). However, I will never vaccinate her with DTP and MMR, because of the risk and I don't want to take the chance. Just my two cents > > I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. > > I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. > > After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. > > So here's my dilemma > Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? > Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? > Wait a bit longer? > Don't give it to him at all? > I'd love to know what you think. > Liralen > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Unfortunately you can't break up the MMR. Mereck quit making the individual shots about a year+ ago. There were so many complaints that they are bringing back the individual shots but not until the end on 2011. I'd wait until then or not do it at all. danielle > > > > I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. > > > > I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. > > > > After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. > > > > So here's my dilemma > > Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? > > Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? > > Wait a bit longer? > > Don't give it to him at all? > > I'd love to know what you think. > > Liralen > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 I am new to this list (as of yesterday) but just thought I'd add a couple of things... I read just recently (in the last 2 months) that the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine (MERCK I think?) is no longer going to make the monovalent vaccines available. So the MMR may only be available as the whole and not the individual vaccines. Another website I've found really helpful in my own research is www.909shot.com. It's the National Vaccine Information Center. > > > > Does anyone know how to obtain the individual shots.? My daughter > wants to give her 2 year old the MMR but her doctor says that they > can no longer get them individually. > > Thanks > > Estelle > > > > > > Estelle , M.S., CCC-SLP > > *STARS* > > Therapeutics & Resource Specialists > > Wayne, NJ > > 973-696-3928 > > Estelle2u@ > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Hmm. I decided not to give it yet, because I didn't feel like I was informed enough. I got a horrible lecture and the dr. will possibly drop him as a patient. I was told they don't offer individual doses anymore. I got MMR at 10 and when I was pregnant they tested me for antibodies I didn't have the Rubella one and they told me to get a booster after the baby was born. It's been three years and I haven't done it. Do you know how to check for the rate of measles outbreaks? Liralen > > > To open the debate up a bit: > > > > Why do you want to protect against rubella - i understand it only lasts for 3-5 years, and it protects girls from having difficulties in pregnancy > > > > If you dont believe me, look it up - thats how ridiculous all of this is at times > > > > And mumps similarly i believe only affects boys in teens - not so sure about this one > > > > But in reality measles is the main/ only point of MMR for most people, and even that would probably have died out anyway due to the massive improvements in hygiene these days > > > > > > > > > > > From: liralendoncov@... > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:57:06 +0000 > Subject: [ ] MMR > > > > > > I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. > > I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. > > After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. > > So here's my dilemma > Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? > Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? > Wait a bit longer? > Don't give it to him at all? > I'd love to know what you think. > Liralen > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2010 Liralen--the measles is a pretty benign childhood disease---has been with us for ever and humans seem to be the only ones who get it. Some naturopathic /homeopathic doctors actually believe it is vital for proper immune system development. Vaccines seem to NOT confer ligfe tiem immunity---if any atyaall--there are those who believe that simply having antibodies against a disease for which you've been vaccianted is not enough to build upa true immune respoonse--hence the likelyhood of getting the disease in spite of vaccination--and also needing booster shot after booster shot---and still risk being unprotected by the time a woman gets pregnant--plus no protection for the newborn infant---born to a vaccinated mom who has never had the actual disease---women who've had the measles in childhood as all humans did up to a few decades go---offered immunity to their offspring via colostrum/cord blood as well as breastfeeding. Vaccinated moms are not able to offer thsi immunity to their infant child--and the vaccine isn't recommended until later--so that is actually the time when an infant could be the most vulnerable to the measles. After 15-18 m the immune system of a well nourished toiler can pretty much deal with the measels and other childhood diseases--they are only dangerous in a few cases for those with truly immature immune systems--and not that vaccines are any better for them but we won't go there now. So really I've not been able to find any data to support vaccinating against the measles--never mind the risks of the vaccine. The measles can have damaging effects for malnourished children---with weakened immune systems --lacking vitamin E and infected by various bacteria and parasites--think third world countries--and even there seems like proper nourishment, clean water and vitamin A--would do far better than risky vaccinations. But I guess those things don't exactly bring in the big bucks like vaccines do. Anyway---I've really not come across one shred of evidence to justify giving thsi vaccine to my daughter--I am actually hoping we can go visit family in Eastern Europe and have the measles so she can grow up to offer her own children the same immunity she enjoyed from begin born to a mother who had all these childhood diseases in her childhood and therefore has permanent life long immunity to pass on via vital fluids at times when infants need thsi the most and are not protected by anything else--vaccine or what ever---it is only maternal immunity via blood/colostrum/milk that protects infants in case of an epidemic. Yes do go to the national Vaccine Information Center and other websites and read. And I have to admit--the Tetnus shot and the POlio were much harder to give up on--since those are considered potentially life threatning---but after thorough research I understood that even those are not a good bet with more risks than benefits particularly in a child with known autoimmune and neurological problems--thought the time I made this decision I did not know she had these vulnerabilities. I ruled out the Tetanus last because no one could explain to me how it is that a vaccine offers immunity when individuals who actually develop Tetanus and survive it---don't seem to be immune so they can always catch it again???_--kind of a puzzle there isn't it. As for the Polio--well SV40 cancer virus, no more wild polio in North America---no more oral vaccines to catch vaccine induced Polio....working on a strong immune system and avoiding sugars and the fact is over 90 % of Polio cases are no more than flu like symptoms and even those with paralysis seem to recover for the most part with proper nutrition--avoidance of inflammatory triggers etc. Most cases of childhood disorders that do cause complications are often due to poor management--doctors do not recognize the disease for what it is--think it is an ear infection or strep and put the child on antibiotics which further impedes liver function and disables immune function etc. Having had every single one of thse childhood diseases my self I can tell you they amount to no more than a few missed weeks of school--but back then we did have grandparents and other relatives to stay home with us --if sick. Today it seems the push to vaccinate also stems from the fact that there is no one to stay home with a sick child--and not lose their job or promotion opportunity---but to me these are poor excuses to vaccinate knowing that all vaccines have potential risks--I'd say far greater than the actual diseases which can be uncomfortable--but that's' just how our immune system builds up--permanent immunity can then pass on to our children. And then reading the risks-- just didn't add up to vaccinations for us. But we all do what we think is best and that is why it is importnat to read all sides of the debate and also to understand your personal risk factors--both for the disease and for the vaccines. We already had a family member who had paid dearly for a flu vaccine which lead to brain inflammation and triggered her schizophrenia within days of coming out of the hospital--she was a waste for the rest of her life---previously a healthy woman raising two young children---the rest is very sad--but we learned from her misfortune and avoided similar experiences with her great granddaughter---so she did not suffer all that for nothing--she got to protect her great grand daughter from suffering a similar fate. So this is our story and our thought process and the more I read and understood my daughter's conditions---- the happier I was for my decisions. All the best to you and your family. Elena ________________________________ From: liralendoncov <liralendoncov@...> Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 6:58:24 PM Subject: [ ] Re: MMR Hmm. I decided not to give it yet, because I didn't feel like I was informed enough. I got a horrible lecture and the dr. will possibly drop him as a patient. I was told they don't offer individual doses anymore. I got MMR at 10 and when I was pregnant they tested me for antibodies I didn't have the Rubella one and they told me to get a booster after the baby was born. It's been three years and I haven't done it. Do you know how to check for the rate of measles outbreaks? Liralen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Thank you for posting this website! I found it very interesting and I have tried so hard to try and balance/decide how to handle my youngest child (14 months old). My oldest was diagnosed with an ASD, Sensory, apraxia of speech and a sleeping disorder. Thanks, Mother of 2 living Angels  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2010 Well, I had him vaccinated with DTap and polio. Just later and slower. I just read Healing the Childhood Epidemics and without knowing it, I followed his vaccine schedule pretty closely. Tetanus is a bacteria that lives in the dirt and it enters your body through a cut and it causes all the muscles to contract so violently that sometimes the heart can't beat. I've seen an animal die from it and it's horrific. Also Pertussis is in my area and my grandmother was a cripple for life b/c of polio. So I am comfortable with those, given slowly and with careful consideration to the child's health. We live in a more rural area, so the risk of tetanus is higher than in a city. There is an anti-globulin shot, so if you suspect your child is getting tetanus, they do have a way to help after the fact, as well. Like you, I'm not so sure about measles and mumps. I suspect they are pretty benign diseases with the possibility of getting bad in an immuno-compromised child. From what I read, the risk is to pregnant women, not the child itself. Well, I'm gong to keep reading until I figure out what is best for my son. I'm open to any book suggestions. Liralen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 While I admit to being one of the 'less informed' people here, I will also say that there's recently been a Mumps outbreak in NY, affecting over 300 people, and it has spread to one town over from where I live. I shop in many of the same store with people who could bring the infection (my pregnant SIL also is required to visit their houses). While I understand this has nothing to do with measles/ rubella, I would rather take the chance that my son is protected in the long run, and obviously that my future neice/ nephew doesn't suffer any issues in utero. I don't know why they are all lumped together. Perhaps to give less vaccines or to make sure the children get them? While Rubella is rare and relatively harmless to a child, it can kill (or permanently impair) a fetus. I'm surprised that boosters are not required, since it's only good for a few years. > > > To open the debate up a bit: > > > > Why do you want to protect against rubella - i understand it only lasts for 3-5 years, and it protects girls from having difficulties in pregnancy > > > > If you dont believe me, look it up - thats how ridiculous all of this is at times > > > > And mumps similarly i believe only affects boys in teens - not so sure about this one > > > > But in reality measles is the main/ only point of MMR for most people, and even that would probably have died out anyway due to the massive improvements in hygiene these days > > > > > > > > > > > From: liralendoncov@... > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:57:06 +0000 > Subject: [ ] MMR > > > > > > I don't want to start a vaccine debate, so please play nice. > > I've done delayed/selective vax with my son. He's going in for his three year well check today. We didn't do MMR b/c he was non-verbal and it seemed foolish to me to give my non-verbal son a shot that has a reputation for causing speech and neurological delays and regressions. > > After giving him fish oils, he went from barely verbal to talking up a storm. I suspect he is close to his age verbally, but not sure. > > So here's my dilemma > Give him the MMR and monitor him closely? > Ask them to break it up and give it to him individually over the next few months? > Wait a bit longer? > Don't give it to him at all? > I'd love to know what you think. > Liralen > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 You must live near me--I heard about the same story. The numbers have risen. I had Mumps when I was 13 from swimming in a public pool(the majority of my swim team was out)---I know it was close to the most painful week of my entire life. Mumps outbreak in NY, NJ tops 1,500 cases February 11, 2010 1:07 PMATLANTA (AP) -- A mumps outbreak among Orthodox Jews in New York and New Jersey has now surpassed 1,500 cases and shows no sign of ending soon. The outbreak began last summer at a boys camp in the Catskills. Nearly all the cases are in the insular Orthodox Jewish community. Health officials said most had a mumps vaccination, but the shots are not completely effective. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday said the count has now reached 1,521. Nineteen people have been hospitalized but no deaths have been reported. > > While I admit to being one of the 'less informed' people here, I will also say that there's recently been a Mumps outbreak in NY, affecting over 300 people, and it has spread to one town over from where I live. I shop in many of the same store with people who could bring the infection (my pregnant SIL also is required to visit their houses). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 ok thats interesting - but are they all going to suffer things as serious as autism and dyspraxia, seizures etc from mumps? or do they get over it pretty quickly and are fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 I still say it's up to each parent to make the decision -and while I agree that vaccines add to some of what is going on with the rise in conditions like autism with our kids -I don't believe vaccines are the only or even main blame or we would be seeing equal numbers all over and not higher numbers for those of us who are pregnant in more industrial areas. To me- clearly there are environmental issues at play. In addition it's wise for each of us to make educated decisions based on facts- take the time to know the facts - as most of us don't know the side effects of some of the diseases we vaccinate against since most here today are fortunate enough not to have grown up during epidemics that caused paralysis, death- now virtually non existent...virtually -but because more and more are opting out - the odds and risks of side effects of vaccines have to be weighed against the odds and risks of NOT vaccinating. ....as I posted many times before there are quite a few parents that did not vaccinate who have children with autism -and in the one case I use as an example, a friend of my sister in law who has an older child with autism who decided not to vaccinate the baby due to this after much research and discussion -educated and loving couple - the younger child who wasn't vaccinated has autism much more severe than his older brother who was vaccinated. Go figure. Some of the side effects of the mumps, orchitis, meningitis, deafness just to name 3 (signs of meningitis * headache * aversion to bright light * possible vomiting * typically a stiff neck, leaving patients unable to touch their chest with their chin and causing the head to bend slightly backwards.) They suspect that Helen Keller lost her ability to see and hear due to meningitis when she was 18 months old. And as some pointed out the latest outbreak is now in NY and NJ (around 1,500 cases) are due to an 11 year old who visited the UK where there are apparently even more parents that don't vaccinate and they are one of the other countries with higher numbers of mumps (over 7 thousand cases). So yes to me, depending, mumps can be much worse than autism. Again depends on how bad the autism is vs the long term side effects of the mumps- but last I checked autism has no death rate associated with it. And about side effects I just read that the chance of hearing loss is 3 times higher than what was previously thought. Again you have to weigh your odds based on educated decisions -not because someone says " yes vaccinate " or " no don't vaccinate " but because you look at all the information and as a parent make an educated decision. And I just want to add that my son Tanner regressed after his third hep shot but back in 1999 there was no awareness -at least none I heard about. And also back then there was still thimerosal in the vaccines. If I had to do it all again -I would still get him vaccinated -but later.. spread out as much as possible and make sure they were thimerosal free (don't even think that was an option then) But that's my hindsight -not reality. Can't change that even though nutriiveda sure seems to be doing just that. Best to all to make the best decisions for their child with the knowledge we have today. ===== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 That depends - I personally know kids that have not been vaccinated, but still suffer from apraxia AND autism. I know of siblings where the first was autistic after vaccination, and when the parents refused to vaccinate the second, he was autistic also. (Heck - my sis-in-law personally has seen identical twins where only one was autistic) And no, they don't get over that quickly, and " fine " is relative. So, why make them suffer from mumps on top of it? Or, to turn your question around, are all the kids who are vaccinated going to suffer from autism and dyspraxia? My son has apraxia, my daughter's delays are genetic. I have 2 different family members with neuro issues who have siblings who are fine. I will never debate that vaccines could cause problems in SOME children. I'm just pointing out that it's ridiculous to compare mumps to autism. > > ok thats interesting - but are they all going to suffer things as serious as autism and dyspraxia, seizures etc from mumps? or do they get over it pretty quickly and are fine > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
