RE: Vitamin B12

[Guest guest]

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

>

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>

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How good is good? What number?

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Vitamin B12

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take

B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B

sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor

isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The numbers were not mentioned in the email. They are immaterial

though. If the oral dosage got better results, then it does not matter

what the actual results were. Oral is better.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Vitalady wrote:

>

> How good is good? What number?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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> Vitamin B12

>

> > I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take

> B-12

> > shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B

> sublingual

> > drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> > doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor

> isn't

> > worried. Thoughts?

> >

> > in Kansas City

> > 310/210/hoping for 150

> > Dr. Roger DelaTorre

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not the numbers in the study. I meant HER numbers.

She can do a personal study of one, her own self and see which works

for her. Where WAS she, where IS she, what is the trend?

Personally, I'm not taking the subs. I'm not good at anything that

must be " tasted " , liquid, lozenge or chewable. I'm not wild about

needles, but I can do that on a regular basis. I do them weekly, but

I'd not advise that for anyone else, unless they have need. I am

addressing other issues with it, under the care of more than one doc.

When 3 tell you to go to 1/wk, you do. Have been doing it over a year

and my numbers are very reasonable. Not even " high " .

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Vitamin B12

> >

> > > I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to

take

> > B-12

> > > shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B

> > sublingual

> > > drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good

about

> > > doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family

doctor

> > isn't

> > > worried. Thoughts?

> > >

> > > in Kansas City

> > > 310/210/hoping for 150

> > > Dr. Roger DelaTorre

> > >

> > >

> > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> > >

> > > Unsubscribe:

mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

What does " labs seem good " mean? Did you start at 1200 but dropped

to 400, which is still in range? Are you holding steady at 600? I

had a friend who's bottom dropped out after about 6 years and she

ended up with pernicious anemia and neurological problems that will

not leave her for the rest of her life?

Pam in Niceville

Vitamin B12

I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

worried. Thoughts?

in Kansas City

310/210/hoping for 150

Dr. Roger DelaTorre

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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[Guest guest]

I have no idea what the results were.

>

> How good is good? What number?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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>

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>

> Vitamin B12

>

>

> > I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take

> B-12

> > shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B

> sublingual

> > drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> > doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor

> isn't

> > worried. Thoughts?

> >

> > in Kansas City

> > 310/210/hoping for 150

> > Dr. Roger DelaTorre

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/7/2004 11:27:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

kb@... writes:

I have no idea what the results were

===================================

I ask my doc to give me a copy of all my bloodwork results for my records.

Our docs tend not to look at trends and we do, Many of us have our bloodwork

set up on spreadsheets to keep track of trends.

Fay Bayuk

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I noticed you've busted into the Century Club, dear one! Congratulations!

Sharon in D.C.

Vitamin B12

I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

worried. Thoughts?

in Kansas City

310/210/hoping for 150

Dr. Roger DelaTorre

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

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Ray Hooks wrote:

<< A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found that

taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of peaks

and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of the next

shot. >>

This is only true if the person is able to absorb the B12 orally, which many

of us have found that we can't. If someone is unable to absorb the B12

orally, that kinda shoots this theory to hell, now doesn't it? I can take a

ton of B12 (and did) and my level won't (and didn't) go anywhere but down.

The only way that I am able to keep my B12 where it should be is shots.

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[Guest guest]

My doctor doesn't advocate additional B-12; just what we get from our

multi-vitamins. But even pre-op I've had poor circulation and constantly suffer

from

cold hands and feet. My B-12 levels are in the low normal range. I wonder

if starting to take B-12 injections will help? If I start them, how soon

will I notice a difference?

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. & Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

[Guest guest]

Ray,

Dr. Baker didn't follow ME. I took high-quality B-12 sublinguals,

32,000% RDA, DAILY for 18 months after my RNY. In that time, my serum

B-12 dropped from my natural pre-op 1151 to 118, completely into

full-blown pernicious anemia with some minor neurological damage. Now I

do my shots every other week, and have peaks and valleys that run

between 2000 and 600. You know what, 600 is the lowest level that I feel

good, so every two weeks, I give myself a shot. The people who are

nearly depleted by the time they get their next shot are simply not

getting shots often enough. Duh. A 30-dose vial of the vitamin retails

for about $6, and needles run 25 cents each at my pharmacy, so you're

talking about a 35-50 cent investment in feeling great.

I honestly wish that EVERY post-op was taught how to give themselves

B-12 shots every two weeks for the rest of their lives. It would save a

lot of grief and frustration, not to mention permanent neurological

damage. But that wouldn't make the docs much money. Oh well. I honestly

think that only people who are at risk of IV drug abuse if they have

needles around, or people who are afraid of giving themselves shots,

should be put on sublinguals.

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

Re: Vitamin B12

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/07/2004 8:16:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

juliaz@... writes:

> They would probably help, but unfortunately, you need a doctor to get

> the Rx. I found that they helped with my symptoms immediately. Building

> up long-term stores only took about four months. Before you all freak on

> me... Yes, you DO have long-term stores of Vitamin B-12, in your liver.

> It's the ONLY water-soluble vitamin that your body stores. :-)

>

>

I'm currently living in land and attending the local support group

meetings here with a different doctor. His staff gives B-12 shots at the

meetings.

I'll get them there.

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. & Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

[Guest guest]

, we are all so different aren't we - my B12 was 19K on sublinguals

so there is absolutely no reason for me to take the injections. As an RN

shots don't bother me in the least and I am quite happy to avoid peaks

and valleys since my B-12 is high, in fact, I have dropped from daily to

2x a week in an effort to bring it down some.

Amber/FL

Re: Vitamin B12

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

They would probably help, but unfortunately, you need a doctor to get

the Rx. I found that they helped with my symptoms immediately. Building

up long-term stores only took about four months. Before you all freak on

me... Yes, you DO have long-term stores of Vitamin B-12, in your liver.

It's the ONLY water-soluble vitamin that your body stores. :-)

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

Re: Vitamin B12

My doctor doesn't advocate additional B-12; just what we get from our

multi-vitamins. But even pre-op I've had poor circulation and

constantly suffer from

cold hands and feet. My B-12 levels are in the low normal range. I

wonder

if starting to take B-12 injections will help? If I start them, how

soon

will I notice a difference?

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. & Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/7/2004 8:26:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jpg1747@...

writes:

My doctor doesn't advocate additional B-12; just what we get from our

multi-vitamins

===================================

They don't always know enough.

Fay Bayuk

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10/23/01

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[Guest guest]

I'm with you on the tasted stuff and because my numbers were so low (below

300) and I was feeling so crappy, I FINALLY convinced my VERY hard headed

family practice Doc into weekly shots for awhile. I " INFORMED " him that I

wanted to see MY numbers up in the 1200 range. When he went bug eyed over

that, I informed him that not everyone is the same and what makes ONE person

feel good will NOT necessarily make another feel good and that since I

couldn't OD on B-12 I couldn't see what the big deal was. If he did NOT

want the Navy paying for it....to give me a script and I would PAY for it

myself. He totally did a 180 on me and gave me my prescription so that the

Navy would pay for it. I still feel like crap, but he says it is too soon to

feel a difference. He didn't know how lucky he was that I forgot all the

stuff I printed up on B-12 deficiency! Then he asked how long I had had

sores in my mouth. That nearly did it for me. I told him I had been

complaining about this for almost a YEAR! He said...he didn't remember me

complaining. SHEESH.....ok....he DID tell me that Doctors were horrible

listeners. And he FINALLY did do what I asked him to do. So...when do I stop

feeling like crap?

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

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-----Original Message-----

From: Vitalady

Personally, I'm not taking the subs. I'm not good at anything that must be

" tasted " , liquid, lozenge or chewable. I'm not wild about needles, but I can

do that on a regular basis. I do them weekly, but I'd not advise that for

anyone else, unless they have need. I am addressing other issues with it,

under the care of more than one doc. When 3 tell you to go to 1/wk, you do.

Have been doing it over a year and my numbers are very reasonable. Not even

" high " .

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One of the docs who suggested weekly B12 was addressing my

Raynaud's.

Interesting, yes?

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Re: Vitamin B12

> My doctor doesn't advocate additional B-12; just what we get from

our

> multi-vitamins. But even pre-op I've had poor circulation and

constantly suffer from

> cold hands and feet. My B-12 levels are in the low normal range.

I wonder

> if starting to take B-12 injections will help? If I start them,

how soon

> will I notice a difference?

>

> Judy

> Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

> Drs. & Rabkin/SF

> 54/5'3 " - 257/140

> size 22/XXL - 6/S

> bmi 46/24

> -66 inches

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How convenient! My ins would pay all if I get them from my doc,

but often that means sitting around til they get 2 secs, drop my

drawers in the kitchen and get a shot while the nurse runs down the

hall. LOL! Never mind, just teach me, I said. So I pay about $10/year

like everyone else, and do it on my own schedule.

AND, BTW, without insurance, the 30 shot vial is only $7 or so. I

mean, it is OH SO CHEAP. Life giving red drops.

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Re: Vitamin B12

> In a message dated 01/07/2004 8:16:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> juliaz@... writes:

>

> > They would probably help, but unfortunately, you need a doctor

to get

> > the Rx. I found that they helped with my symptoms immediately.

Building

> > up long-term stores only took about four months. Before you all

freak on

> > me... Yes, you DO have long-term stores of Vitamin B-12, in your

liver.

> > It's the ONLY water-soluble vitamin that your body stores. :-)

> >

> >

>

> I'm currently living in land and attending the local support

group

> meetings here with a different doctor. His staff gives B-12 shots

at the meetings.

> I'll get them there.

>

> Judy

> Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

> Drs. & Rabkin/SF

> 54/5'3 " - 257/140

> size 22/XXL - 6/S

> bmi 46/24

> -66 inches

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/8/2004 4:00:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, fbayuk writes:

> They don't always know enough.

He knows plenty. I don't live in SF anymore or I'd be in his office asking

about the connection between B-12 and my poor ciculation -- it didn't come up

until I moved to land and it got so damn cold here. I was always able to

keep hands and feet warm enough before. Deciding to try B-12 shots is purely my

idea to see if it will make a difference. I'll also check with the doctor I'm

seeing here.

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. and Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

[Guest guest]

I have been bugging (begging) my Dr for a script for over a year now.

He says he can not give it. Heck I gave myself insulin shots before

surgery...I am not afraid of that and know how to do it. GRRRRR

I am going to keep bugging (evil grin)

Terri in Temecula

> How convenient! My ins would pay all if I get them from my doc,

> but often that means sitting around til they get 2 secs, drop my

> drawers in the kitchen and get a shot while the nurse runs down the

> hall. LOL! Never mind, just teach me, I said. So I pay about

$10/year

> like everyone else, and do it on my own schedule.

>

> AND, BTW, without insurance, the 30 shot vial is only $7 or so. I

> mean, it is OH SO CHEAP. Life giving red drops.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

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>

> Re: Vitamin B12

>

>

> > In a message dated 01/07/2004 8:16:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > juliaz@w... writes:

> >

> > > They would probably help, but unfortunately, you need a doctor

> to get

> > > the Rx. I found that they helped with my symptoms immediately.

> Building

> > > up long-term stores only took about four months. Before you

all

> freak on

> > > me... Yes, you DO have long-term stores of Vitamin B-12, in

your

> liver.

> > > It's the ONLY water-soluble vitamin that your body stores. :-)

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I'm currently living in land and attending the local support

> group

> > meetings here with a different doctor. His staff gives B-12

shots

> at the meetings.

> > I'll get them there.

> >

> > Judy

> > Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

> > Drs. & Rabkin/SF

> > 54/5'3 " - 257/140

> > size 22/XXL - 6/S

> > bmi 46/24

> > -66 inches

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Why can't he give it to you? If he thinks the insurance will get

into a tizzy, don't use your ins. Mine is $3 with, $7 without. Big

deal. My doc was hesitant til I explained the intrinsic factor

connection. My dad gets B12 (c'mon over on Sunday when we line

everybody up and shoot! lol) for being " old " , so where is the problem?

Perhaps in not knowing much about it?

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Re: Vitamin B12

> >

> >

> > > In a message dated 01/07/2004 8:16:05 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > juliaz@w... writes:

> > >

> > > > They would probably help, but unfortunately, you need a

doctor

> > to get

> > > > the Rx. I found that they helped with my symptoms

immediately.

> > Building

> > > > up long-term stores only took about four months. Before

you

> all

> > freak on

> > > > me... Yes, you DO have long-term stores of Vitamin B-12,

in

> your

> > liver.

> > > > It's the ONLY water-soluble vitamin that your body stores.

:-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I'm currently living in land and attending the local

support

> > group

> > > meetings here with a different doctor. His staff gives B-12

> shots

> > at the meetings.

> > > I'll get them there.

> > >

> > > Judy

> > > Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

> > > Drs. & Rabkin/SF

> > > 54/5'3 " - 257/140

> > > size 22/XXL - 6/S

> > > bmi 46/24

> > > -66 inches

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

i don't think medicaid will cover unless you get permission from the state you are in. Where are you? Boy, you sure take a lot of meds to get up and go! i take nothing for my lungs.....I do take some Ibuprofen occassionally.....and my regular meds but nothing for my lungs. Joyce R

I started taking it because i needed energy. I needed a little extra something & it along with my Monavie pulse helps me get & go when i feel like it. Of course there are those days when NOTHING helps...but on a normal everyday day..no pneumonia..no coughing spells..i get up & go!! 1st thing in the am...my symbicort 2 puffs, vit b 12 1000 mg, 1 jigger monavie, prednisone 30 mg (right now) still being weaned off...tylenol 3 w/codeine pill zertec, nexium, crestor & amlodopine + my nebulizer sol...it's been working for me so far..til night time i take 2 more puffs symbicort, another tylenol 3 w/codeine & my amtriptylin..my last breathing treatment & i'm ready to go...thats what i'm on right now--I am thinking about getting a 2nd opinion...i wonder if medicaid will cover if i cross states

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From: BlueLiddy (AT) aol (DOT) com <BlueLiddy (AT) aol (DOT) com>Subject: Vitamin B12To: Breathe-support Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 6:45 PM

I am curious...why are you taking vitamin B 12? That is one thing my doctor is testing for...a vit b12 deficiency.

I am not doing well.....I am beginning to think it is all in my mind..I just seem to get worse....I am even having a problem eating...too much effort. My doctor is having me take an X-ray and blood tests and stress test...all the blood tests are strange ones like Vit B12......How can I be deficient in Vitamins I am a Vegetarian and eat so many vegetables! Things like sitting at the computer are very hard for me now....I am nauseous too and get light headed....I am so puzzled by this...it just has to be all in my mind. There are times I feel like I cannot breath....I pull my oxygen off and just pant...it must be in my mind. Has anyone had anything like this happen to you? Sometimes I cannot lift my arms or move my legs. I get so weak that holding something makes my hand and arm tremble....Anyone have problems like these. Joyce Rudy AZ birds

[Guest guest]

Beth if it does indeed turn ou tto be a Vitamin or iron deficiency I will change my diet immediately! What ever is happening to me is horrible! My heart is racing and i feel like I am dying....I am so exhausted and tired and weak....sometimes I feel like I can't breathe...I think my doctor will probably tell me the same thing...I will just realize my body can't be a vegan...or a vegetarian. Oh my! Joyce R AZ birds

[Guest guest]

Thank you Beverly Joy Joyce R

[Guest guest]

C I am thinking I may have this. I sure do have the symptoms....if so , I don't think I will continue being a Vegetarian. I didn't realize we use more energy and need more protein....didn't know that. Joyce R