RE: (unknown)

August 27, 2001

Mike,

What a fantastic person you are and you are absolutely right. How many

times have you met fantastic looking people who have the personality of a

moldy sponge. I really believe that the bad things (well, what we perceive

to be 'bad' things) that happen to us in life help develop our character,

and help use have understanding and tolerance of others. Mike, when you

are a 'thin' person, you will be even more of a 'chic magnet' because your

beauty goes all the way through to the other side.

All the best.

Jo

(or Orange)

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To: ozband ozband >

Date: Monday, 27 August 2001 04:26 PM

Subject: (unknown)

>Hey Guys,

>

>Thanks for all your kind words..believe me they are all much appreciated..

>

>the more i think about it the more I think what happended this weekend was

a

>gift..

>

>I'm sure you are all as strong as I in putting up the emotional wall and

>have everyone percieve you to be the confident/ self assured person with no

>issue's. I found myself in the situation where that wall got shattered, how

>i don't know.. I met a gorgeous girl on sat nite who normally I would be

>scared to death to talk to (you all know this feeling i'm sure..) i felt

>like i had to talk to her, so naturally i avoided contact as much as i

>possibly could and ran away with my tail between my legs, but as it happens

>fate caught up with me in the kitchen where i had no-where to run. When I

>got the 'there you are , ive been looking for you' comment. Long story

short

>we talked till about six the next morning about spiritualism, love, health

>and all the insecurities that go along with all of the above. I have been a

>big guy all my life so these things have become my nature, I love who i am

>as a person but despise the fact that I am in the body I am (spent many a

>night cursing those that be for my misfortune..) but what I released after

>our marathon talk was, it is not a misfortune, i am better than that I am

>like this because my spirit is strong enough to handle this whereas someone

>else might not be. That i guess was the first step in a relisation of

>removing 32 years of personal hate/anger and becoming happy. I have not

only

>to love who i am (which i do) but more importantly what I am before I can

>begin to reshape myself.

>

>Now for this person who i have never met before, to come into my life and

is

>willing (insisting) on being by my side and supporting me only 3 weeks

>before a surgery, with principles that if i didnt apply would probably

fail.

>I can only think that it was that a gift and a lesson that that fate

>/desinty whatever you believe has given me.

>

>Anyway i have rambled on enough, yes I am struggling, yes i will survive

and

>yes i will be successful...

>

>thanks again...

>michael..

>

>btw stephanie, I am on the Gold Coast and being Operated on by Dr Les

>Nathenson at the Holy Spirit Hospital in Brisbane (was going to be the

>Wesley, but change of plans..) on the 14th Sept...

>

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>

August 29, 2001

Hi Gus

it is 2.2 pounds = 1 kilo

hope this helps

Teala

September 3, 2001

Thanks ,

I very comprehensive report.

Jo

(Orange)

September 7, 2001

Thanks Cath,

(unknown)

> Hi ,

>

> Always good to keep trying, I remember last year chatting with

> someone who had been operated on by Skinner but cannot remember who

> it was. I am sure there are others out there.

>

> Cath

>

> > Just a quick note to ask again if anyone has been operated on by

> Dr. Stuart Skinner, I know I've asked this before but you never know

> who might be new.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

> ozband website:

> http://www.ozband.com

>

September 7, 2001

Well done Beverly, I'm glad you did so well. I was thinking of you. Loved

your letter. Please keep up the updates I'm really interested in knowing

how you are going.

Take Care,

(unknown)

> Just thought I would send a quick update!

>

> I had my band done on Monday and am now home in the ACT. The surgery went

> really well - I was ready to do the 'mini' marathon by the time I got back

> to the ward. Well probably not quite, but I was certainly pleasantly

> surprised by how well I felt.

>

> Everything went by the book (which book I'm not sure)! I really didn't

have

> any severe pain in hospital, my abdo wounds weren't sore (still aren't), I

> didn't feel even slight nausea and basically think I am lucky not to have

> had any problems. I breezed through the surgery. (Mikey - don't worry

> about anything...you will do great too). My worst battle wound is the

> bruise left by one (boy) nurse trying to re-insert the IV in about four

> different spots and the injection sites for the heparin (yes the same

> nurse)!

>

> My major concern pre-op was hunger and I haven't been too bad. What

hunger

> I did feel was probably more in my head than in my belly and out of sheer

> obstinence to prove that I was going to be the exception to the rule!

> Needless to say, since I got home, I have not been hungry or interested in

> even one slice of bread or potato chip or cheeto!

>

> The bloating seems to be bubbling away today, but is getting less and

> less...wind pain is so undignified - you just have to let it go! Thank

God

> I have a cold and can't smell anything yet!!!! I did get shoulder pain

from

> the gas but today, that also has gone.

>

> Well, the first step is now over. Liquids and mush for the next 6 weeks

and

> then my first fill. Thanks to everyone who sent me words of encouragement

> and a huge thanks to the lovely people who visited me in a place where I

> knew nobody!

>

> Hoping it's all downwind and 'downward' from here!

> Beverlee.

> Beverlee Rhys

>

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>

September 7, 2001

Well done Beverly, I'm glad you did so well. I was thinking of you. Loved

your letter. Please keep up the updates I'm really interested in knowing

how you are going.

Take Care,

(unknown)

> Just thought I would send a quick update!

>

> I had my band done on Monday and am now home in the ACT. The surgery went

> really well - I was ready to do the 'mini' marathon by the time I got back

> to the ward. Well probably not quite, but I was certainly pleasantly

> surprised by how well I felt.

>

> Everything went by the book (which book I'm not sure)! I really didn't

have

> any severe pain in hospital, my abdo wounds weren't sore (still aren't), I

> didn't feel even slight nausea and basically think I am lucky not to have

> had any problems. I breezed through the surgery. (Mikey - don't worry

> about anything...you will do great too). My worst battle wound is the

> bruise left by one (boy) nurse trying to re-insert the IV in about four

> different spots and the injection sites for the heparin (yes the same

> nurse)!

>

> My major concern pre-op was hunger and I haven't been too bad. What

hunger

> I did feel was probably more in my head than in my belly and out of sheer

> obstinence to prove that I was going to be the exception to the rule!

> Needless to say, since I got home, I have not been hungry or interested in

> even one slice of bread or potato chip or cheeto!

>

> The bloating seems to be bubbling away today, but is getting less and

> less...wind pain is so undignified - you just have to let it go! Thank

God

> I have a cold and can't smell anything yet!!!! I did get shoulder pain

from

> the gas but today, that also has gone.

>

> Well, the first step is now over. Liquids and mush for the next 6 weeks

and

> then my first fill. Thanks to everyone who sent me words of encouragement

> and a huge thanks to the lovely people who visited me in a place where I

> knew nobody!

>

> Hoping it's all downwind and 'downward' from here!

> Beverlee.

> Beverlee Rhys

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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>

> ozband website:

> http://www.ozband.com

>

September 8, 2001

Hi Beverlee

Glad to hear your surgery went so well!

Yes I remember the wind well...so does my husband!lol!

Errin

(unknown)

The surgery went really well

The bloating seems to be bubbling away today, but is getting less and

less...wind pain is so undignified - you just have to let it go! Thank God

I have a cold and can't smell anything yet!!!! I did get shoulder pain

from

the gas but today, that also has gone.

Hoping it's all downwind and 'downward' from here!

Beverlee.

Beverlee Rhys

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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>

September 9, 2001

Yes I remember the wind well...

the gas but today, that also has gone.

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October 25, 2001

,

First of all welcome. I too didn't receive any of your emails. Trust me,

this is not a clique group. You just have to realise there are so many

emails some days it is impossible to respond to all of them. Well done of

50kgs. Would love to hear your story.

Francis

Banded 30/6/01

113/92/70

(unknown)

> well this little group is surelly rude why have a

> group to help otherrs when u only stay in your little

> clique and could not be bothered answering anyone

> elses inquires i sent 3 so far and no one bothered to

> answer this is no support group this is a group of

> people all to themselves

>

> http://briefcase.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Briefcase

> - Manage your files online.

>

> ozband website:

> http://www.ozband.com

>

October 28, 2001

Hi Antonietta,

I had my op on July 27 with Dr Dumbrell. I guess it does feel a little

strange when you have a fill

but today was the best to date as he usually takes a little while to find

the port but today he found it straight away and I think that's got to do

with the weight I have lost ( I.e. not as much fat around port ). It

doesn't really hurt just slight discomfort when he is looking for the port

but once found and he injects the fluid it's fine but as I told Dr. Dumbrell

today it just a really strange sensation. I wish you the best of luck for

your op, I found it fine and recovery was brilliant. I only stayed in

hospital for one night and I was rapt.

The band is the best thing you could do Antonietta

Ciao

(unknown)

>

> Hi ,

> I am due to have my op on Fri. When did you have your op??

> Does it feel strange inside when you have a fill??

> Antonietta

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I just went for a fill this morning and I tell you my coffee has

> filled me.

> > I now have 3.5mls of fluid. At least for the next couple of weeks I

> am guaranteed

> > to loose a bit of weight because restriction is so tight.....and

> yes I am happy!!!!

> >

> > Ciao

> >

>

> ozband website:

> http://www.ozband.com

>

February 8, 2002

In a message dated 2/8/02 4:21:24 AM Central Standard Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

> Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

In the scheme of things--developing MCS, losing my ability to concentrate,

dealing with constant poisoning, and other " stuff, " such as getting a degree

and not being able to work, being ostracized by the medical " industry, " I

really don't care if I have to gum my food.

The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did not

want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB than

I am my smile. Jannarone (I only brush and floss the teeth I want to

keep....)

PS Mercury does not damage one's wittiness

February 8, 2002

----- Original Message -----

> > While it is necessary look at the correct materials to repair teeth,

> and to

> > avoid toxic elements, what are we doing to prevent other teeth from

> breaking

> > down?

> >

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> OK, you asked a nice rhetorical question. Would you be so kind as to

> answer it for those of us who only know we are supposed to brush,

> floss and get our teeth scraped by the hygienist every so often?

>

> Andy

Andy,

That's easy. Read our book, Healthy Teeth for Kids (and adults, too),

published by Kensington and our great newsletter,

Holistic Dental Digest PLUS! It's all there!

Jerry

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----- Original Message -----

> > While it is necessary look at the correct materials to repair teeth,

> and to

> > avoid toxic elements, what are we doing to prevent other teeth from

> breaking

> > down?

> >

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> OK, you asked a nice rhetorical question. Would you be so kind as to

> answer it for those of us who only know we are supposed to brush,

> floss and get our teeth scraped by the hygienist every so often?

>

> Andy

Andy,

That's easy. Read our book, Healthy Teeth for Kids (and adults, too),

published by Kensington and our great newsletter,

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----- Original Message -----

> > While it is necessary look at the correct materials to repair teeth,

> and to

> > avoid toxic elements, what are we doing to prevent other teeth from

> breaking

> > down?

> >

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> OK, you asked a nice rhetorical question. Would you be so kind as to

> answer it for those of us who only know we are supposed to brush,

> floss and get our teeth scraped by the hygienist every so often?

>

> Andy

Andy,

That's easy. Read our book, Healthy Teeth for Kids (and adults, too),

published by Kensington and our great newsletter,

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February 8, 2002

In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

jannarone@... writes:

<< The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB >>

What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants to

use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it is

safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

natalie

February 8, 2002

In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

jannarone@... writes:

<< The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB >>

What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants to

use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it is

safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

natalie

February 8, 2002

In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

jannarone@... writes:

<< The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB >>

What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants to

use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it is

safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

natalie

February 8, 2002

,

The dangers of nitrous oxide are discussed in the new book,

Healthy Teeth for Kids, available from Amazon.com or your bookstore.

I question the values of a DDS who'd use a drug like Demerol in this case.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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> In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> jannarone@... writes:

>

> << The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

> not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

>>

>

> What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants

to

> use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it

is

> safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

>

> natalie

>

February 8, 2002

,

The dangers of nitrous oxide are discussed in the new book,

Healthy Teeth for Kids, available from Amazon.com or your bookstore.

I question the values of a DDS who'd use a drug like Demerol in this case.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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> In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> jannarone@... writes:

>

> << The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

> not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

>>

>

> What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants

to

> use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it

is

> safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

>

> natalie

>

February 8, 2002

,

The dangers of nitrous oxide are discussed in the new book,

Healthy Teeth for Kids, available from Amazon.com or your bookstore.

I question the values of a DDS who'd use a drug like Demerol in this case.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/8/02 12:39:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> jannarone@... writes:

>

> << The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

> not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

>>

>

> What is wrong with nitrous oxide? My 3 year old daughter's dentist wants

to

> use it on her (along with Demerol) for a filling. He assured me that it

is

> safe and my biological dentist agreed too. So this is new to me.

>

> natalie

>

February 8, 2002

Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/8/02 4:21:24 AM Central Standard Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> In the scheme of things--developing MCS, losing my ability to concentrate,

> dealing with constant poisoning, and other " stuff, " such as getting a

degree

> and not being able to work, being ostracized by the medical " industry, " I

> really don't care if I have to gum my food.

>

> The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

than

> I am my smile. Jannarone (I only brush and floss the teeth I want

to

> keep....)

Perhaps the best thing that I can do for you is to help you find a more

health-centered DDS. Where are you located?

PS Mercury does not damage one's wittiness

>

Don't be too sure about that. Hg affects the nercous system in a big way.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/8/02 4:21:24 AM Central Standard Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> In the scheme of things--developing MCS, losing my ability to concentrate,

> dealing with constant poisoning, and other " stuff, " such as getting a

degree

> and not being able to work, being ostracized by the medical " industry, " I

> really don't care if I have to gum my food.

>

> The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

than

> I am my smile. Jannarone (I only brush and floss the teeth I want

to

> keep....)

Perhaps the best thing that I can do for you is to help you find a more

health-centered DDS. Where are you located?

PS Mercury does not damage one's wittiness

>

Don't be too sure about that. Hg affects the nercous system in a big way.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/8/02 4:21:24 AM Central Standard Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

>

> In the scheme of things--developing MCS, losing my ability to concentrate,

> dealing with constant poisoning, and other " stuff, " such as getting a

degree

> and not being able to work, being ostracized by the medical " industry, " I

> really don't care if I have to gum my food.

>

> The dentist who worked me over insisted that I use nitrous oxide (I did

not

> want) so I am now more worried about viral/toxin passage through the BBB

than

> I am my smile. Jannarone (I only brush and floss the teeth I want

to

> keep....)

Perhaps the best thing that I can do for you is to help you find a more

health-centered DDS. Where are you located?

PS Mercury does not damage one's wittiness

>

Don't be too sure about that. Hg affects the nercous system in a big way.

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

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February 9, 2002

--Recent research on Halothane and (possible Nitrous Oxide, I cannot

remember) in mice indicates that West Nile Virus (and why not other viruses)

develops in mice when either is used in mice injected with the virus. The

longer the exposure the greater the chance of developing West Nile Virus.

Without halothane and injections of the West Nile Virus, mice don't develop

the illness. Researchers reason that viral passage to the brain (where the

immune system cannot attack invading viruses) is the problem.

Also, researcher Clem Furlong has begun to establish that some individuals

with low PON-1 are inclined to develop arthersclerosis and these are the same

people--those with low PON-1, who fail to be able to properly hydrolize the

oxon of chlorpyrifos--a pesticide. Dow has been souping Dursban up, but

generally there are low, medium and high categories of those susceptible to

organosphosphate injury. These people happen to have vascular disease

tendencies and that might also mean that the BBB, which is something similar

to lacing your fingers together, is not tight. This vascular barrier may be

better in some than others. I believe that the CFS, MCS community has a

" breach " of some kind in this protection of the brain. Others will argue, but

that does not concern me the slightest because the " others " typically have a

vested interest in selling neuro-toxic products.

Many MCS/CFS physicians resolutely refuse to give these " light gases " to

patients with either condition, because we probably harbor atypical viruses,

toxins, and these and mercury vapor itself (as an example) may cross into the

BBB. I did this " research " of the research, myself after meeting with two

cell biologists who said same.

M. Abou-Donia suggests that toluene, xylene, benzene used in pesticides do

the same thing--open the BBB " to the dirty world we live in " in addition to

causing subtle and sometimes not so subtle brain injury.

Generally an anesthiologist will say the drugs they use cross the BBB. The

difference is that Halothane and NO " open " the BBB to viruses and bacteria,

toxins stored in the body and the mercury vapor itself. You will not find

mainstream ADA research on this. Most of this is good common sense approach

to safe dentistry that relies on other corroborating research dealing with

substances similar in weight to NO.

Halothane is a much heavier gas than Nitrous Oxide? This is something that

depends on the formula; however, a Princeton ChemE major says that in

principal this would be his guess. We would have have to look it up.

Dr. Cheney has written a protocol for CFS at

http://www.ncf-net.org/general/anesthesia.htm regarding Halothane, which

could have the same potential for opening the BBB as NO. Then there is the

suspect hepatoxic effect that I cannot further elaborate on although it would

not surprise me in the least if NO were in that category.

See research on PubMed by Ben , Israel. Search on halothane, West Nile

Virus, and perhaps Nitrous Oxide. I wrote an article on this topic on

Co-Cure, an internet group that publishes articles and research relating to

causes of CFS/MCS, as well. The article appeared there and at About.com. If

you cannot find it I will try to although I am pursuing some problems at the

moment, following the week during my college student's cancer surgery.

Jannarone

February 9, 2002