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> The ACTH Stim or ACTH Serum are no good while on HC but the

Aldosterone

> testing is fine!

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Oh, so Aldosterone doesn't tell you anything about primary or secondary

adrenal? Or is it pituitary? How have I gotten myself so darn

confused???

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Aldosterone adn Renin testing done together can give oyu an idea if you

are primary or secondary. High Renin and low aldosterone almost alwasy

is secondary adrenal insufficiency. Low renin adn Lo aldosterone would

probabyl mean primary. At least I think that is how it goe.. if you can

find BOB he would be a good one to ask as I am not up on pit tests too

much. (Do you remember Bob from the adsrenals forum at STTM?

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Do you remember Bob from the adsrenals forum at STTM?

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No, I was never on that forum, but I think that I might have been

reading something of his when I was researching this.

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> Aldosterone adn Renin testing done together can give oyu an idea if

you

> are primary or secondary. High Renin and low aldosterone almost

alwasy

> is secondary adrenal insufficiency. Low renin adn Lo aldosterone

would

> probabyl mean primary.

Oh, and besides telling me whether or not I need to supplement those

things, is there any other reason why it might be important to know if

you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable

so you would need to be on the HC for life?

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>>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if

you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is incurable

so you would need to be on the HC for life?<<

Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the pituitary so

there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this instance and replacing

the hormones needed is for life.

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> >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if

> you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is

incurable

> so you would need to be on the HC for life?<<

>

> Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the

pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this

instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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> >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if

> you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is

incurable

> so you would need to be on the HC for life?<<

>

> Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the

pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this

instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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Aren't there some instances where the pituitary could be stimulating SOME

hormones to be produced, e.g. estrogen, LH, FSH DHEA, aldosterone, but be

hypopit in cortisol and maybe growth hormone production or is this a highly

unlikely scenario?

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> >>is there any other reason why it might be important to know if

> you are primary or secondary? Did I read that one of them is

incurable

> so you would need to be on the HC for life?<<

>

> Yes secondary means it is not the adrenals that are failing but the

pituitary so there is no revcovery for the adrenals possible in this

instance and replacing the hormones needed is for life.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

Thank you Val

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>>Aren't there some instances where the pituitary could be stimulating SOME

hormones to be produced, e.g. estrogen, LH, FSH DHEA, aldosterone, but be

hypopit in cortisol and maybe growth hormone production or is this a highly

unlikely scenario?<<

yes these are called partial hypo-pit. This is why they shoudl test as many os

possible when a problem is suspected.

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Ok, emailed Dr. L. and he said as you did: florinef.

He said some folks do better starting with florinef, then adding HC, and others do better starting with HC and then adding florinef.

If indeed I have a hypopit issue I fear I may need to get onto the HC, despite my ambivalence about it.... post-thyroidectomy due to thyroid cancerHashi's and Gravesmeds: levoxyl 100 mcg.Supps: multi,b,c,d,mag,calc, iron

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I would definitely go on HC first as it not opnly covers the cortils but

has SOME mineralcorticoid effects as well and may make you need LESS

Flrionef.

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, dear,

Can I sue my other endo, who claims that all's well with me despite seeing this low level of aldosterone?

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, dear,

Can I sue my other endo, who claims that all's well with me despite seeing this low level of aldosterone?

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This is Dr. L's response to me when I emailed him about my aldosterone results and my terrible reaction to isocort (4 pellets morn and 4 pellets lunch). Do you agree with him?

"The rages on Isocort are due to the lowness of the dose--it actually can cause you to end up lower in cortisol as the brief peak levels in the serum suppress your ACTH and your own production. The way around the problem is to take enough HC. The fact that the Isocort affected you at all tells me you have a problem with low HC, as a normal person would have felt nothing on Isocort or even on HC at doses up to 60mg daily.Let's wait until we have the saliva test and aldosterone results back. We'll talk on the phone then. Given your thirst and low BP, you may do better with a fludrocortisone trial first. As long as it is helping you, you will want to continue it."

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I would love to say yes but I tried a lawduit back when I was 27 years

old and almost died of Pelvic Inflammatory Disease when my OB-GYN sent

me home & tolkd me to take aspirin for the pain and spike fevers after

he found out I had no health insurance. It got me no where.The one thing

more corrupt than our medical system is our legal system.

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I would love to say yes but I tried a lawduit back when I was 27 years

old and almost died of Pelvic Inflammatory Disease when my OB-GYN sent

me home & tolkd me to take aspirin for the pain and spike fevers after

he found out I had no health insurance. It got me no where.The one thing

more corrupt than our medical system is our legal system.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol.

So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones?

Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension...

Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent!

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Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol.

So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones?

Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension...

Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent!

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Val, it seems my adrenals are fine...because when injected with cortrosyn (granted they inject a huge amount) my adrenals do respond, both in terms of aldosterone and in terms of cortisol.

So if the problem is in the pituitary, why would I be taking HC at all? why not just replace all the hormones?

Scratching my head here...I must be missing something...maybe this hypopit/hypoadrenal/hypothyroid is playing a number on my comprehension...

Thanks so much for all your help. Your a G-d-sent!

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so you say to start with cortisol replacement (cortef) and then slowly add the others such as florinef, dhea, growth hormone, etc.?

And definitely not start with florinef before cortef?

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so you say to start with cortisol replacement (cortef) and then slowly add the others such as florinef, dhea, growth hormone, etc.?

And definitely not start with florinef before cortef?

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I would start wiht HC then IF you stil have low aldosterone symtpms

after being at a good dose of HC for a motnh, thne add in Florinef. I

never start people wiht Florinef as Cortisol is the most important and

also it has SOME mineralcorticoid activity so may at least partially

replace SOME aldosterone. Then you start on thyroid DHEA is LAST.

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I would start wiht HC then IF you stil have low aldosterone symtpms

after being at a good dose of HC for a motnh, thne add in Florinef. I

never start people wiht Florinef as Cortisol is the most important and

also it has SOME mineralcorticoid activity so may at least partially

replace SOME aldosterone. Then you start on thyroid DHEA is LAST.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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