raw milk

[Guest guest]

, this is just my opinion. If the removal of milk helped your

son more than you could have hoped for, why in the world would you

want to put raw milk into his diet? " Allergies " as defined by blood

tests and conventional medical doctors do not include IgG reactions,

let alone reactions to partially digested peptides.

He doesn't need milk. Brucellosis is a very common disease, and you

can get it from raw milk. He needs protein and calcium, and B2

(riboflavin) all of which he can readily get from other sources. Why

meddle with success? Pay attention to that fear, it is there for a

good reason.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:25 PM, renee030670@... wrote:

> I read all the post about some of you thinking about " Raw Milk. " I

> was

> wondering if any of you who have your children on the GFCF diet

> have tried it and

> how is it going good or bad?

> I am considering it for my DS 5 with Asperger's/ADHD and I have been

> researching it a lot and I thought I would ask if any of you have

> actually taken that

> final step.

> My DS was found to not be " allergic " to Casein but when I removed

> it from his

> diet the change in him was more than I could have hoped for. Plus

> there is

> that concern for not giving a 5 year old Ecoli. I know all about the

> precautions and all the data about how many illnesses came form

> " Raw milk " Vs

> " Pasteurized " but it is still a little scary.

> Well, sorry for the long note and I would appreciate any feed back

> that any

> of you would be willing to share.

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Raw milk is as safe as the person who is handling it.

Raw milk has enzymes and amino acids, (esp lysine which prevents

herpes) which are destroyed or damaged by pasteurization.

We don't pasteurize breast milk and yet it is deemed safe. If the

mother was sick, then her milk wouldn't be fit for consumption either,

so the same would apply to animals that are milked.

I had my own goat and didn't realize the health benefits I was

receiving until I lost that source of raw milk. I was scared to death

at first to drink it because of all the hype. My great grandmother

drank it and lived to be 98. Just my 2 cents. I'm typing this kinda

fast because I'm late.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

One of my friends owns an organic dairy farm. They are constantly

fighting with infections, including some bacterial diseases related

to TB that cause chronic diarrhea in cows (e's Disease), and

possibly Crohn's disease in humans.

See:

http://www.mad-cow.org/00/paraTB.html

Animals can be sick, especially in big herds which are the norm these

days, before it is noticed and the animal removed from milking. A

large percentage of the herds in the US are infected. Now if you

have your own cow or goat and know exactly where the milk is coming

from, you are more in control of the situation.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:26 PM, mohair3 wrote:

> Raw milk is as safe as the person who is handling it.

> Raw milk has enzymes and amino acids, (esp lysine which prevents

> herpes) which are destroyed or damaged by pasteurization.

> We don't pasteurize breast milk and yet it is deemed safe. If the

> mother was sick, then her milk wouldn't be fit for consumption either,

> so the same would apply to animals that are milked.

>

> I had my own goat and didn't realize the health benefits I was

> receiving until I lost that source of raw milk. I was scared to death

> at first to drink it because of all the hype. My great grandmother

> drank it and lived to be 98. Just my 2 cents. I'm typing this kinda

> fast because I'm late.

>

> Take care,

> Susie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ash

Please keep us updated on what goes on with your child on Raw milk. I am

interested in trying this also, but am reluctant to make major changes while he

is in school.

I would love to hear about your success or lack there of.

Best of luck to you all

[Guest guest]

Dear Ash,

I don't want to start a controversy either and I am glad your child is doing

well. However,

one of my friends has a dairy farm so I am very aware of an epidemic that is

presently

spreading among dairy farms of bovine paratuberculosis, also known as e's

Disease.

Here is a website about the epidemiology of this disease:

http://www.johnes.org/dairy/epidemiology.html

The bad thing about this is that this disease is now suspected of possibly being

the

etiological agent (pathogen that causes) Crohn's Disease in humans. I hope that

the herd

from which you got your milk is certified not to be carrying this disease, or

brucellosis, or

a number of other things.

http://www.crohns.org/

http://www.mad-cow.org/00/paraTB.html

I do not want to alarm you. I just want to inform you that there are possible

risks of raw

milk that were not there when your DH was a young child. Take care!

Peace,

Kathy E.

Kathleen_E@...

>

> I don't want to start a controversy. I realize what some people

> believe about Raw Milk, but when i first looked into dietary changes

> for my son at 13 months, my first inclination was not to take him of

> dairy for casein, but to switch to raw milk. Guess mostly because my

> mother in law gave DH raw milk as a child because of ear infections

> and tolerence. Unfortunately I couldn't find a dairy nearby, so I

> just dumped milk alltogether, with difficulty replacing it with soy

> and rice. I had some success with Almond milk, but he gre hyper with

> that and when I went FG, I needed to remove almonds. I have been

> able to give yogurt without too much problem now that he is on

> enzymes, but i was reading up more on more of the benefits of raw

> milk...the enzymes that are in them, the B vitamins ect. So...I

> check again and drove out of state yesterday to buy some Raw Jersey

> Milk to see if this might be the solution. I would prefer he get his

> nutrients from food, not from supplements other than enzymes.

>

> Well for the first time in a longggg time this morning, his poop was

> normal. No diareah, not runny or mushy. Brown, not too soft, not too

> firm, a little smidge of spongy, but that probably will be fixed by

> upping probiotics. I am hoping that raw milk will continue to work.

> I'll post again as the week goes by. He is not spacey, he is in a

> great mood, very calm and happy. Anyone else have success with Raw

> Milk. Would love to hear stories.

>

> Thanks,

> Ash

>

[Guest guest]

Hi:

If you live anywhere near the Reading, Pennsylvania area, e-mail me

and I'll let you know where I buy my organic raw milk.  I get it

directly from friends of ours who own an organic dairy farm.

Sharon

Quoting copelpot <copelpot1@...>:

> I don't want to start a controversy.  I realize what some people

> believe about Raw Milk, but when i first looked into dietary

changes

> for my son at 13 months, my first inclination was not to take him

of

> dairy for casein, but to switch to raw milk.  Guess mostly because

my

> mother in law gave DH raw milk as a child because of ear infections

> and tolerence.  Unfortunately I couldn't find a dairy nearby, so I

> just dumped milk alltogether, with difficulty replacing it with soy

> and rice.  I had some success with Almond milk, but he gre hyper

with

> that and when I went FG, I needed to remove almonds.  I have been

> able to give yogurt without too much problem now that he is on

> enzymes, but i was reading up more on more of the benefits of raw

> milk...the enzymes that are in them, the B vitamins ect.  So...I

> check again and drove out of state yesterday to buy some Raw Jersey

> Milk to see if this might be the solution.  I would prefer he get

his

> nutrients from food, not from supplements other than enzymes.

>

> Well for the first time in a longggg time this morning, his poop

was

> normal. No diareah, not runny or mushy.  Brown, not too soft, not

too

> firm, a little smidge of spongy, but that probably will be fixed by

> upping probiotics.  I am hoping that raw milk will continue to

work.

> I'll post again as the week goes by.  He is not spacey, he is in a

> great mood, very calm and happy.  Anyone else have success with Raw

> Milk.  Would love to hear stories.

>

> Thanks,

> Ash

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info everyone. I'm in NC and it is illegal to sell raw

milk for human consumption here, so I drove to SC where it is legal and

the farms are inspected. Met the Diary owner, the conditions looked

well. The cows were all jerseys. But I might shop around and visit

some of the other dairy farms because this one only sold milk and I am

certainly interested in cheese and butter too. Renne I'll post again

the beginning of next week with his progress. He has been doing really

well lately and actually attempting to speak for the first time. He is

only 19 months, but was showing signs of apraxia and just wasn't able

to initiate actions when he wanted too. I noticed increased stimming

with the flapping of the arms and spinning lately, but I also had him

adjusted by a chiropractor and that is when that started. I have seen

far more improvements in language and body awareness so I'm letting

those symptoms slide for now as a sign of increased awareness.

As for digestion and the raw milk he has two great poops today, they

were perfect, but one tonight before bed was a little sketchy (not

diareaha, but kinda mushy and food particles not digested). I had

decreased his enzymes recently because of the watery poops, so I picked

them back up and I hope that will balance everything out. I'll let you

know. This has only been day two. I joined the Raw Dairy group

too and I was reading that some children might be better off

replenishing the stomach with Kefir and other good bacteria before

introducing straight milk, so depending on how he progressing I might

take that route. Either way, I really think there is something about

the raw dairy that is worth exploring.

>

> Ash

> Please keep us updated on what goes on with your child on Raw milk.

I am

> interested in trying this also, but am reluctant to make major

changes while he

> is in school.

> I would love to hear about your success or lack there of.

> Best of luck to you all

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>A few months back there was a great link on the Mercola site that offered

>what they argue is a superior dairy farm that sells raw milk state

>to state.

>I never tried it, but I did consider it - the prices were very

>high. When I

>saw your post just now I went to pull up the site and, low and

>behold, there

>is a link that says there have been changes to the Interstate Commerce laws

>so Mercola is no longer permitted to sell the raw dairy products at all.

>Instead they offer a link to www.rawmilk.org <http://www.rawmilk.org/>

>which they say has lists of local suppliers. Very interesting!

I don't think rawmilk.org has a list of local suppliers, but the Weston A.

Price Foundation's website www.realmilk.com does. The page with the list of

raw milk retailers by state is here: http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html

It is also the job of the WAPF chapterleaders to provide information on

where people in their communities can obtain raw milk. I get calls about

this fairly often myself. So if anyone wants to find raw milk but doesn't

see their town listed on the realmilk.com website, you can contact the

nearest WAPF chapterleader to find out what source is closest to you.

Chapterleader contact info by country and state is listed here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/locallist.html

Be sure to get the highest quality raw milk you can find. This means the

cows should be on *pasture* for as long as possible relative to their

locale. And in the winter, they should ideally be fed hay mostly with very

little grains (in northern regions where grass isn't available year round).

The cows should also ideally be Guernseys, Jerseys or some other heirloom

breed. Try to avoid Holsteins which are a modern breed that produces milk

that is high in A1 protein, which seems to be the most problematic form of

casein when it comes to allergies and possibly might be the problematic form

of casein for ASD folks (although this is controversial).

I had one local mom of an ASD child call or email me, last year I think,

looking for a source of raw milk. When I got back to her, she said she'd

already given her son raw milk from a local farmer and that he wasn't

reacting to it as he did with pasteurized milk.

Before I found out that I'm allergic to casein, I used to consume a ton of

products from raw milk, including raw cheese, butter, kefir and yogurt. It's

delicious and far superior to pasteurized milk for a host of reasons. In

fact, knowing what I now know about pasteurized milk, I'd avoid it like the

plague and suggest that others do as well. Here are some of the reasons why:

http://www.realmilk.com/what.html

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

>Try to avoid Holsteins which are a modern breed that produces milk

>that is high in A1 protein,

Sorry, that should've read " A1 CASEIN " . Or more specifically, alpha s1

casein, a.k.a. " a1 casein " .

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >Try to avoid Holsteins which are a modern breed that produces milk

> >that is high in A1 protein,

>

I did just that Suz....The farm I went to uses only Jersey cows. Sweet

ones too But I will have to post an entirely different observation

on how we are doing in a minute.

[Guest guest]

Just responded to an email from one of the board members and thought

I would post the email here in case anyone can get any info out of

our conversation. Also, below is a breaf update on how my son is

doing on the raw milk. It's been three days. Looks like we have a

yeast issue on our hands, but is behavior is great. He only flapped

twice today and no spinning. He was doing a lot of that recently.

Wonder what the connection with raw milk and yeast could be? Anyway,

here is my email:

Good luck introducing the milk. As for us, my son is 19 months. He

has only had three 8 ounce cups in the past two/three days. The

first day was looking good as I posted, but beginning last night, we

got a sour bad poop with a red ring on his bum. Two bad ones again

today. I haven't given him any of the milk today as I suspected it

might be too much to start with. I have noticed two other things

that are crazy to me. We started off treating him for yeast

overgrowth. This was our main intervention other than taking off

milk. We had die off and many improvements. Well his bum looks like

horrible yeast today. I mean it is obvious that is the kind of rash

it is...with the red ring and bumps to boot. I was wondering about

the probiotics in raw milk and perhaps it is causing die off. Funny

your milk supplier suggested it may take some adjusting to get

the " flora " back on track. If I give it again it will be in much

smaller amounts and I am gonna try to get my hands on some Kefir

grains to make my own Kefir. According to the Body Ecology Diet you

should introduce fermented products first to establish healthy flora

and then the child can tolerate liquid milk. Who knows. These are

just some of the readings I have done if you are interested. I will

post this on the board too for interested parties in this subject

matter:

http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/24/raw_milk.htm

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/rawmilk.html

http://bodyecology.com/autism.php

[Guest guest]

Ash:

Sort of OT but I was wondering about that North Carolina law you mentioned

that made you have to cross the border into SC (sigh) to get it. Do you

know anything about the law? Is it recent? Is there a big dairy lobby in

NC? Not a big deal if you don't know/don't have time to answer. I was just

thinking about what you said - and thinking about the new page I saw on

Mercola about interstate commerce and raw milk and starting to get a little

grumpy/suspicious.

Thanks,

Josie

Re: Raw Milk

>

> >Try to avoid Holsteins which are a modern breed that produces milk

> >that is high in A1 protein,

>

I did just that Suz....The farm I went to uses only Jersey cows. Sweet

ones too But I will have to post an entirely different observation

on how we are doing in a minute.

[Guest guest]

Hi Josie-

Don't know much about the actual law or how long it has been in

effect. All I know is that if you go to the Real Milk website and

click on " where " you'll find a list of states. If you click on NC,

it states that it is illegal to sell raw milk for human consumption.

It is legal to buy it for feed, however, I prefer going through a

state where they are held to higher standards and inspected

accordingly. Here is where I read about the law pertaining to NC.

http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-1.html

My MIL was in GA when she purchased raw milk. It was delivered to

her door in the 70's and it is now illegal, so the dairy I was at let

me know that most of the people they get there are driving all the

way from Georgia to get it. Mostly Co-Ops.

> >

> > >Try to avoid Holsteins which are a modern breed that produces

milk

> > >that is high in A1 protein,

> >

> I did just that Suz....The farm I went to uses only Jersey cows.

Sweet

> ones too But I will have to post an entirely different

observation

> on how we are doing in a minute.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The just " just crazy about milk " put up a big red flag for me. Our

daughter's withdrawal from gluten and casein in 2000 looked like

several days of dt's. She was 15. She, too, just craved both those

items. Her behavior since has approximated that of an addict. Early on

gfcfsf, she was constantly searching for those items-I surmised for

her 'highs.' We could always tell as g and c produced seizures and

still do. Raw milk may not help if it is the casein that she reacts to.

>

> my daughter's blood test showed low levels of IgG and IgE to milk.

> However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk (it

> makes her lethargic and spacey). Powdered milk is definately off

limits

> as it gives her hives and excema.

>

> Would raw organic grass fed cow's milk be okay? Anyone know? Raw milk

> has the enzymes needed to digest it properly right? If it is okay,

then

> i just might get a cow. My duaghter is just crazy about milk.

>

> thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Same thing here. Recently my casein-intolerant daughter had a

granola bar - I accidentally had gotten a brand that did contain a

tiny amount of some powdered milk - and ate the entire box in 1.5

days (normally she will barely eat one granola bar every 3-4 days.)

Anything you need to buy in bulk and feel like life would be

unmanageable if you ran out for a few days, suspect that food.

On the original subject, I am actually going to start using raw milk

to make kefir (not for my daughter, obviously.) I wasn't aware that

you could legally buy it though - we have to go through a very

covert " milk sharing " program here. I can have dairy with enzymes

so I will let you know if there's any difference than what I'm

currently using (pasteurized organic.)

Amy

> >

> > my daughter's blood test showed low levels of IgG and IgE to

milk.

> > However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk

(it

> > makes her lethargic and spacey). Powdered milk is definately off

> limits

> > as it gives her hives and excema.

> >

> > Would raw organic grass fed cow's milk be okay? Anyone know? Raw

milk

> > has the enzymes needed to digest it properly right? If it is

okay,

> then

> > i just might get a cow. My duaghter is just crazy about milk.

> >

> > thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Raw milk did wonderful things for our girl. Not crazy about the cow, but

love the milk!

Re: raw milk

> Same thing here. Recently my casein-intolerant daughter had a

> granola bar - I accidentally had gotten a brand that did contain a

> tiny amount of some powdered milk - and ate the entire box in 1.5

> days (normally she will barely eat one granola bar every 3-4 days.)

> Anything you need to buy in bulk and feel like life would be

> unmanageable if you ran out for a few days, suspect that food.

>

> On the original subject, I am actually going to start using raw milk

> to make kefir (not for my daughter, obviously.) I wasn't aware that

> you could legally buy it though - we have to go through a very

> covert " milk sharing " program here. I can have dairy with enzymes

> so I will let you know if there's any difference than what I'm

> currently using (pasteurized organic.)

>

> Amy

>

>

>> >

>> > my daughter's blood test showed low levels of IgG and IgE to

> milk.

>> > However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk

> (it

>> > makes her lethargic and spacey). Powdered milk is definately off

>> limits

>> > as it gives her hives and excema.

>> >

>> > Would raw organic grass fed cow's milk be okay? Anyone know? Raw

> milk

>> > has the enzymes needed to digest it properly right? If it is

> okay,

>> then

>> > i just might get a cow. My duaghter is just crazy about milk.

>> >

>> > thanks!

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amy, The company that distributes organic raw milk at least around us (organic

Pastures) also sells organic colostrum kefir that is made with the traditional

kefir grains.

This is not listed on their website but I had it a few months ago.

http://www.organicpastures.com/

I don't know if they mail order to other states.

Their products are wonderful. Unfortunately I can't tolerate dairy in any form

with or without enzymes. neither my ASD son.

best, Haleh

> Re: raw milk

>

>

> > Same thing here. Recently my casein-intolerant daughter had a

> > granola bar - I accidentally had gotten a brand that did contain a

> > tiny amount of some powdered milk - and ate the entire box in 1.5

> > days (normally she will barely eat one granola bar every 3-4 days.)

> > Anything you need to buy in bulk and feel like life would be

> > unmanageable if you ran out for a few days, suspect that food.

> >

> > On the original subject, I am actually going to start using raw milk

> > to make kefir (not for my daughter, obviously.) I wasn't aware that

> > you could legally buy it though - we have to go through a very

> > covert " milk sharing " program here. I can have dairy with enzymes

> > so I will let you know if there's any difference than what I'm

> > currently using (pasteurized organic.)

> >

> > Amy

> >

> >

> >> >

> >> > my daughter's blood test showed low levels of IgG and IgE to

> > milk.

> >> > However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk

> > (it

> >> > makes her lethargic and spacey). Powdered milk is definately off

> >> limits

> >> > as it gives her hives and excema.

> >> >

> >> > Would raw organic grass fed cow's milk be okay? Anyone know? Raw

> > milk

> >> > has the enzymes needed to digest it properly right? If it is

> > okay,

> >> then

> >> > i just might get a cow. My duaghter is just crazy about milk.

> >> >

> >> > thanks!

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk (it

> makes her lethargic and spacey).

This could be phenols. Does she use No Fenol with it?

For phenol intolerance related to milk (in the event she isn't casein

intolerant and unable to process it that way), I use 2 capsules, one

broken open to work immediately and one swallowed whole so it starts

working about 20-30 minutes later. That is for about 1-2 c. of yogurt

or kefir.

Amy

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to mention something about raw milk, which is all we drink in

our house. We have a local farm selling it and it's legal in PA. They have

pointed out the distiction between raw milk and organic milk. What we drink

is raw, but since they use pesticides on the grassy areas where the cows

graze, it cannot be considered organic. I am interested in keeping the milk

non-pasteurized, so that's OK with me. I wish we could get both raw and

organic, but the enzymes are more important to us. I just wanted to point that

out.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Raw milk is legal in several states, but not all. In others, raw milk

can only be sold for pet use. Many folks either buy the " pet " milk or

will lease all or part of the cow to have access to fresh raw milk. Be

care about ordering raw milk products through companies -

transportation can not always be reliable and curdling may be started.

Now, with raw milk, that's not a problem - you are on your way to some

great cheese products - but it may not be exactly what you bargined

for! If you want a local supply of raw milk, look at weston a price

foundation's website. They have links to local chapters that can refer

to reputable farmers that believe in fresh, organic local foods. They

also have lots of information about raw milk vs. pasterized, if you are

interested.

[Guest guest]

It is true that you don't have to have honey or fruits on SCD.

But without fruits and honey, it is really hard to get the amount of

carbs you need.

Too much meat poses the danger of ketosis.

Too much nuts poses a problem for some kids too.

But I am no expert.

>

> With the SCD diet, you certainly don't have to eat honey. It's just

> that sugar is not allowed. And again, you certainly don't have to

eat

> fruits. It's just that they are allowed (fresh fruit). Canned

beans

> are not allowed, simply because you have no real idea, if anything

has

> been added to them. Canned foods are mostly disallowed for that

very

> reason. Labels often leave things out.

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: raw milk

>

>

>

> Ok-I am really close to starting the SCD diet this weekend

>

> Here are my concerns...up until now we have been gfcf no rice, no

> potatoes

> and no corn and no fruit ,no fruit juice and no sugar and vinegar

of any

> kind.

>

> I am really nervous about adding the honey in our diet and fruit.I

will

> probably hold off on the vinegar and casein. We are taking out the

> quinoa,

> tapioca flour and arrowroot flour and replacing with almond, pecan,

> filbert

> etc. Are canned beans ok with no sugar? I can't remember.

>

> What kind of behavior or symptoms should I expect while adding

these in?

>

> I bought some elli's apple cider. I am nervous...but my kids

are

> excited to have fruit back in their life. I bought some apples to

bake

> for

> them tomorrow am. I just hope our tummies can handle all of this.

>

>

>

> Carolyn

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FYI My kids had a bad reaction with elli's apple cider. I have

had my son on organic eggs, meat & vegetables for a while, and I am

going to add one low-sugar fruit per day, and see how he reacts. I

will also see if he tolerates them better if they are cooked/baked.

Carol

> >

> > With the SCD diet, you certainly don't have to eat honey. It's

just

> > that sugar is not allowed. And again, you certainly don't have

to

> eat

> > fruits. It's just that they are allowed (fresh fruit). Canned

> beans

> > are not allowed, simply because you have no real idea, if

anything

> has

> > been added to them. Canned foods are mostly disallowed for that

> very

> > reason. Labels often leave things out.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Re: raw milk

> >

> >

> >

> > Ok-I am really close to starting the SCD diet this weekend

> >

> > Here are my concerns...up until now we have been gfcf no rice, no

> > potatoes

> > and no corn and no fruit ,no fruit juice and no sugar and vinegar

> of any

> > kind.

> >

> > I am really nervous about adding the honey in our diet and

fruit.I

> will

> > probably hold off on the vinegar and casein. We are taking out the

> > quinoa,

> > tapioca flour and arrowroot flour and replacing with almond,

pecan,

> > filbert

> > etc. Are canned beans ok with no sugar? I can't remember.

> >

> > What kind of behavior or symptoms should I expect while adding

> these in?

> >

> > I bought some elli's apple cider. I am nervous...but my

kids

> are

> > excited to have fruit back in their life. I bought some apples to

> bake

> > for

> > them tomorrow am. I just hope our tummies can handle all of this.

> >

> >

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i thought that phenols were in only processed skim or low-fat milks and

not in milk straight from the animal. my daughter definately does have

phenol issues.

>

>

> > However, she's still GFCF because she does better without milk (it

> > makes her lethargic and spacey).

>

> This could be phenols. Does she use No Fenol with it?

>

> For phenol intolerance related to milk (in the event she isn't casein

> intolerant and unable to process it that way), I use 2 capsules, one

> broken open to work immediately and one swallowed whole so it starts

> working about 20-30 minutes later. That is for about 1-2 c. of

yogurt

> or kefir.

>

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

Nell,

We can't even think about milk yet but I've had good luck using a

coconut yogurt-homemade, of course. And, it's lod to boot.

>

> We're embarking on LOD/ " Nourishing Traditions " , so also looking for

> raw milk and culturing everything in the refrigerator.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Nell,

> We can't even think about milk yet but I've had good luck using a

> coconut yogurt-homemade, of course. And, it's lod to boot.

Do you have a link to a recipe?

Nell