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Hi You all,

Thanks for the laughs!

I see I am not alone on my feelings concerning Dear Pamela.

Donna

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As Alley says " it's a blonde's life, but someone has to live it " or

something like that, I'm doing this from " memory " and you know how our

memory is LOL.

Carol

mscue40@... wrote:

> Hi You all,

> Thanks for the laughs!

> I see I am not alone on my feelings concerning Dear Pamela.

> Donna

>

>

>

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lol.. hey! I resemble that remark!!

I'm behind in emails, sorry if I haven't responded much lately. hugs to you all

alley

It's a blonde life, but somebody has to live it!

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PAMELA ANDERSON

I don't care how she got it. I don't care if everyone or no one feels

sorry for her. I don't care how much help she has around the house or

how much money she makes. I don't care if she works, or never works

again. I don't care if her boobs shrink or fall off or get bigger. I

don't care if it's a publicity stunt. I'm sorry if the WRONG people

get scared, but I hope she scared somebody! There are NUMEROUS

celebrities with HCV and not one has gotten out and talked about it.

Naomi Judd is supposed to be the American Liver Foundation's

spokesperson for HCV. When is the last time you heard her say

anything about it? In fact, the last I heard, when she was being

interviewed on TV and the subject was brought up she changed the

subject. She later said people weren't watching the show to hear

about HCV, but about her career. The ONLY time I ever saw her on TV

say something about it, all she said was that 'God had cured her.'

Well, that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't tell anyone anything

that they ought to know about HCV. It sure won't do anything to

promote research into this disease. I never watched any show Pamela

was in, but I did catch her interview on Larry King, and

while she may not come across as the most intelligent person I know

about HCV, I've met doctors who sound like they know less than her.

She's learning, and if she can get ANYONE to sit up and listen about

HCV than good for her. No one else seems willing or able to do

anything productive about getting this disease the attention it

needs. It wasn't until celebrities got involved in HIV/AIDS awareness

that anything was done about that, and HCV is a MUCH bigger problem

than HIV is or ever will be. But HIV is where the money is going. And

it's the government who decides how much money will be spent on what

type of research. Some of that money needs to be spent on HCV, but as

of now, no one is even listening! Celebrities, whether we 'approve'

of them or not, have the eye and ear of both the public and the

government in ways you or I never will. When she made her

'announcement' that she has HCV, and her subsequent interview, it was

probably the first time half the population of this country had even

heard of HCV! Good for her! I hope she can get some of these other

celebrities to open up and start talking. Maybe someone will start

listening.

Claudine

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I received a letter from Naomi Judds foundation thing,

asking me for a donation. That was in 2000, it

actually kind of upset me. I was living in a place

with no heat and in bad need of repairs. Because I had

no where else to go and no money, at least I had there

to go to, it was better than out on the streets.

Connie

--- claudine intexas <claudineintexas@...>

wrote:

> PAMELA ANDERSON

>

> I don't care how she got it. I don't care if

> everyone or no one feels

> sorry for her. I don't care how much help she has

> around the house or

> how much money she makes. I don't care if she works,

> or never works

> again. I don't care if her boobs shrink or fall off

> or get bigger. I

> don't care if it's a publicity stunt. I'm sorry if

> the WRONG people

> get scared, but I hope she scared somebody! There

> are NUMEROUS

> celebrities with HCV and not one has gotten out and

> talked about it.

> Naomi Judd is supposed to be the American Liver

> Foundation's

> spokesperson for HCV. When is the last time you

> heard her say

> anything about it? In fact, the last I heard, when

> she was being

> interviewed on TV and the subject was brought up she

> changed the

> subject. She later said people weren't watching the

> show to hear

> about HCV, but about her career. The ONLY time I

> ever saw her on TV

> say something about it, all she said was that 'God

> had cured her.'

> Well, that's fine and dandy, but that doesn't tell

> anyone anything

> that they ought to know about HCV. It sure won't do

> anything to

> promote research into this disease. I never watched

> any show Pamela

> was in, but I did catch her interview on

> Larry King, and

> while she may not come across as the most

> intelligent person I know

> about HCV, I've met doctors who sound like they know

> less than her.

> She's learning, and if she can get ANYONE to sit up

> and listen about

> HCV than good for her. No one else seems willing or

> able to do

> anything productive about getting this disease the

> attention it

> needs. It wasn't until celebrities got involved in

> HIV/AIDS awareness

> that anything was done about that, and HCV is a MUCH

> bigger problem

> than HIV is or ever will be. But HIV is where the

> money is going. And

> it's the government who decides how much money will

> be spent on what

> type of research. Some of that money needs to be

> spent on HCV, but as

> of now, no one is even listening! Celebrities,

> whether we 'approve'

> of them or not, have the eye and ear of both the

> public and the

> government in ways you or I never will. When she

> made her

> 'announcement' that she has HCV, and her subsequent

> interview, it was

> probably the first time half the population of this

> country had even

> heard of HCV! Good for her! I hope she can get some

> of these other

> celebrities to open up and start talking. Maybe

> someone will start

> listening.

> Claudine

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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The morning after Pamela 's interview with Larry King, one of our

stylists came to work and said her husband had " seen the interview with

Pamela about her Hepatitis C. "

Knowing her husband, I figured he was probably just watching because it was

Pamela , but I was impressed he mentioned the HCV part. I'll bet he

never even heard of it before.

I was unimpressed with Naomi Judd when I heard her say one time that she

wasn't allowed to talk about HCV on the Letterman or Leno show because they

thought it was too much of a downer. Cripps......

Let them say that to Pamela . I really don't think it will stop her.

Since I first heard she tested positive, I've been optimistic she'll help get

the word around. We definately need more people talking about it.

I talk it up at our salon all the time. I'm trusting that no one will ever go

to the health department and try to get me to stop working on patrons unless

I wear gloves. Imagine trying to give a haircut with gloves on. lol... But I

like to spread the word. And I try to make sure my clients who are Nam vets

and are married to vets go in to get tested. I noticed last week that one of

my clients has red palms like I do and suggested she get tested. You never

know.

Go Pamela......

Your friend,

Gene

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The morning after Pamela 's interview with Larry King, one of our

stylists came to work and said her husband had " seen the interview with

Pamela about her Hepatitis C. "

Knowing her husband, I figured he was probably just watching because it was

Pamela , but I was impressed he mentioned the HCV part. I'll bet he

never even heard of it before.

I was unimpressed with Naomi Judd when I heard her say one time that she

wasn't allowed to talk about HCV on the Letterman or Leno show because they

thought it was too much of a downer. Cripps......

Let them say that to Pamela . I really don't think it will stop her.

Since I first heard she tested positive, I've been optimistic she'll help get

the word around. We definately need more people talking about it.

I talk it up at our salon all the time. I'm trusting that no one will ever go

to the health department and try to get me to stop working on patrons unless

I wear gloves. Imagine trying to give a haircut with gloves on. lol... But I

like to spread the word. And I try to make sure my clients who are Nam vets

and are married to vets go in to get tested. I noticed last week that one of

my clients has red palms like I do and suggested she get tested. You never

know.

Go Pamela......

Your friend,

Gene

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--- Constance Dickson <constance_clearwater_florida@...> wrote:

> I received a letter from Naomi Judds foundation thing,

> asking me for a donation. That was in 2000, it

> actually kind of upset me. I was living in a place

> with no heat and in bad need of repairs. Because I had

> no where else to go and no money, at least I had there

> to go to, it was better than out on the streets.

> Connie

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The only people she can ask

for donations are the people who have HCV because not too many other

people know she has it! I remember when she 'retired' because she had

hepatitis, but back then they didn't even say what kind. Maybe I just

don't watch the right TV stations or read the right magazines or

newspapers, but I haven't seen her doing anything to help with public

awareness. And it IS the general public, and the government, who

needs to be aware - WE already know about it!

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Pamela,

If you can't get the meds, the only advice I can think of to offer,

is to find someone with a kennel of dogs in your area, and ask if

they have thyroid meds (Eltroxin, Synthroid) on hand for their dogs,

maybe you could but some from them. I'm sorry we are at opposite ends

of the continent, or I would give you some of my T4's. I seem to have

enough in one bottle, for 18 months.:-)

Gail

> AHHH how sweet to offer your Armour. *HUGS* I am going to call my

doc Monday and coax her into giving me two weeks worth. Wish me luck!

>

> Pamela

>

>

>

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No, unfortunately not. You could draw blood for an Immunoscience Viral

Panel though.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jjcox22

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:31 PM

Subject: [ ] Pamela

Pamela,

Does Doctors Data look at viruses also?

My doctor is doing a microbia organic acid urine from Great Plains,

will this help?

Thanks,

>

> You can do a comprehensive stool analysis from Doctors Data. It

takes a lot

> of the guesswork away.

>

>

>

> Pamela

>

> " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no

courage unless

> you're scared. "

>

> Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

>

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of jjcox22@...

> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:40 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] How do you figure out yeast vs.

viruses vs.

> bacteria?

>

>

>

> How do people figure out which is bothering their kids--yeast,

bacteria or

> viruses?

>

> I can't figure out what we're dealing with right now.

>

> jDid it just take time to learn what it was for your own child?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> [ ] Digest Number 7785

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 7/29/2006 4:36:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, leyna1964@... writes:

You know, I've been wondering exactly WHY Pamela had her implants removed awhile back...yeah,I know she got them put back in, but wonder why shehad them removed to begin with?

Pamela stated on many interviews around then that she had a rupture, and went ahead and had them removed to go natural for a while. I honestly thought she had just gone to a smaller implant... they certainly did something to plump her breasts at that time, because she was still a full C and very old pictures of her show a flat chest -so I don't know. She said on later interviews something like "I tried cutting my hair shorter and getting my implants out, but that just wasn't me." She's been through umpteen sets of implants!

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Carmen Electra said in US just this week...that her soon to be EX wanted her to get bigger implants but she'd like to go back to natural and one day she might. She must not like them that much to have said that.

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You know I hate to admit it..but I think Pamela is sexy...I know she looks trashy and all...but I can't help but look at her and think WOW ! But its not just her boobs I think I'd feel that way if she had smaller ones...I just like her hair..her legs and her small waist and but. All thing I wish I had...hahaha Ok well I do have the blonde hair...thanks to highlites ! LOL

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I understand asking for opinions here. It is very helpful to get info from

those who have experienced what we are experiencing. I have been helped a

lot here.

Do you have copies of those test results (hormones, etc.) that you could

post here? There are people on this list who could give better advice based

on your test results for those specific tests too. If you don't have your

test results, call doc and ask for a copy. You are entitled by law.

Have you been looked at for Lupus - which causes hair loss, body pain -

among other things? Have you had your FERRITIN levels checked, which if

low can cause hair loss. As I mentioned in my earlier post, when I finally

got my ferritin where it should be, my hair and fingernails began to return.

BP meds, cholesterol meds, hormone therapy among other things can cause hair

loss. Did the handful loss scenario start or get worse when you started this

BC pill you are currently on? Are you taking any OTHER meds which can cause

hair loss? Simple aging can cause hair loss. STRESS causes lots of hair to

fall out. Caring for a young child, working and maintaining a home can be

stressfull. My father lost about half of his hair being caregiver for my

cancer stricken mother. Has your stress increased lately - is there a

family crisis you are dealing with?

I'm sorry, but your comments about losing most of the hair after the baby

STRONGLY suggests sex hormone problems, which have not been corrected yet -

even tho y our child is a couple of years old. Did you breast feed your

baby? If so, that affects your hormonal balance - and the longer you breast

feed the stronger the imbalance. And since you've had all the other

standards tested (thyroid, scalp biopsy, adrenals, etc.) but NOT the sex

hormones - I'd start there - if it was me.

Please don't read this wrong - email is a difficult medium by which to

communicate - but I had to stamp my feet with my docs to get some things

tested/tried and I believe you'll probably have to do the same. For

example... what if you had your hormones checked while on BC. It's no skin

off the docs nose - he's not paying for it. And just for the sake of

argument, what if that test comes back with let's say LOW ESTROGEN and HIGH

TESTOSTERONE or ANY combination that could cause problems for a person?

Then, you would know that hte BC pill you are taking simply isn't getting

the job done for you! But You have to pursue it. You have to let the doc

know that you've been miserable long enough and you need to find the answer

by doing the following - and provide a scenario of what you'd like to have

tested/tried on you. I guess all I'm saying is the squeaky wheel gets the

oil . The docs see literally hundreds of patients a week - and unless you

stamp your feet(as politely as you can) you are just one in a sea of faces

to this guy.

If you can't make your doc understand your needs, find a new doc. Or google

healthcheck usa - which is a place where you DON " T need a script to get your

blood tested and you can find out for yourself what your sex hormone levels

are or many other tests.

I'm not criticizing - I'm trying to help. Writing like this, without

voice and facial expression, sometimes comes across in the wrong way.

Dusty

Re: Desparate and have been everywhere

>

>

>

>

>

> I am to the point of total confusion. I have been to hormone

> specialists who say the optimal level is between 1 and 2. So I

guess

> everyone has a different suggestion. The hard part is that all drs

> agree that there is NO MEDICAL REASON for this kind of hairloss. I

> mean it is unreal. Could Synthroid CAUSE the hairloss?

> > ----------

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> >

> > i ANSWERED THAT ON YOUR FIRST POST, PAM. YES, SYNTYROID -

CHANGING

> THE

> > DOSE, OR SIMPLY STARTING THE DRUG CAN CAUSE HAIRLOSS, SO CAN

> INADEQUATE

> > AMOUNTS OF SEX HORMONES, OR INADEQUATE AMOUNTS OF THYROID MEDS.

> THERE ARE

> > MANY OTHER CAUSES TOO - JUST GOOGLE " CAUSES OF hAIR LOSS IN

> WOMEN " . IT CAN

> > BE HEREDITARY, IT CAN BE CUASED BY STRESS, IT CAN BE CAUSED BY

> LUPUS OR BY

> > ALOPECIA AND ON AND ON AND ON. I even gave you the google website

> for the

> > side effects of Synthroid. If you are unable to use a computer

> freely

> > than I suggest you go to the drugstore and ask the pharmacist for

> the

> > manufacturers insert for patient information. It is always inside

> the/or

> > attached to the pharmacist's bottle or box of meds. It used to

> come to

> > each person who ordered the drug, but they have stopped this and

the

> > drugstores print out a version which is modified and doesn't

> contain all the

> > info.

> >

> > As for every person having a different opinion on what it takes

to

> keep a

> > person healthy with thyroid disorder - THAT is why you have to

> take

> > control, read all that you can, decide from the symptoms etc that

> you read

> > about what you THINK may be your problem. You need to have a plan

> of

> > action - know what your symptoms are - what you have and have not

> tried,

> > what you'd like to try, what you'd like to be tested for and so

> on. Then

> > when a doc says " you only need to have your TSH between 1 and 2 " ,

> you are

> > then prepared to discuss it with him/her, i.e. your previous

> attempt at that

> > goal, how unsuccessful that treatment was for you and where you'd

> like to be

> > with your TSH. The manufacturer's insert on Synthroid makes some

> reference

> > to where the patient's TSH should be on their drug, I believe, so

> get

> > familiar with that insert, both its side effects, it suggestions

on

> how to

> > administer and HOW TO TAKE IT. If you have been on this list for

> any length

> > of time, you will have read that you really should take your dose

> (patient

> > insert reinforces this) ALONE, with no food or other meds. You

may

> eat one

> > hour after or two hours before your Synthroid, and you MUST avoid

> other meds

> > for 4 hours. If you want optimal absorption of Synthroid - then

> you should

> > be following these directions.

> >

> > REmember - no matter what med you take - it won't work overnight.

> Most

> > drugs take about 6 weeks to fully impact your body systems and

> about that

> > long as well for your body to adjust to the drug and cease with

the

> side

> > effects.

> >

> > Dusty

> >

>

> Yes, I agree the side effects of medicines are always listed, but

if

> we followed only that we wouldn't take anything. Alot of them list

> that they could even be fatal. I have taken Synthroid for 17 years

> and had minor hair loss, within the last few years, after having my

> baby, the hairloss is in clumps. I have read, I have traveled two

> different states, I have seen specialists. I have had all my

> hormones, adrenals, pituitary gland, you name it..tested. I have

had

> 5 scalp biopsies that showed no alopecia areata. Now, they are

> saying there is no medical reason for this kind of hairloss. I am

> stumped and discouraged...so that's why I was asking for OPINIONS

of

> others who may have experienced the same type of thing.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>

> > [mailto:hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> ] On Behalf Of pamelasjennings

> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:46 AM

> > hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

>

> > Subject: Re: Desparate and have been everywhere

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am to the point of total confusion. I have been to hormone

> > specialists who say the optimal level is between 1 and 2. So I

> guess

> > everyone has a different suggestion. The hard part is that all

drs

> > agree that there is NO MEDICAL REASON for this kind of hairloss.

I

> > mean it is unreal. Could Synthroid CAUSE the hairloss?

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> > >

> > >

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Reading ur post below, I stand by my earlier posts, but want to add

something here that's very important.

1st, you live in this body - you know it better than anyone - so its up to

you to find a way to INSIST that the docs do the testing necessary to

resolve ur problems. You have to speak to the docs that way, unfortunately.

I mean you no disrespect, but if you cannot put your foot down, the docs

will continue to pooh pooh your complaints. I learned this the hard way

with a very debilitating female disorder I got in 2002, and until I started

showing up at the docs very prepared (written list of questions and things

I'd like to try and why), I didn't start getting better. They just see so

many people that if you aren't prepared and don't present ur own plan of

action, you get left behind. The mindset seems to be if you don't persist,

it must not be much of a problem.

Most people simply find another doc, rather than buck medical " authority " -

this is probably what you've done if you've seen 35 docs. You have to get

informed, prepared to do battle and determined to get what you want -to work

as a team with ur doc instead of as a non particpant. But y ou have to

know what you want first - and then you have to be prepared to answer or

give reasons to/for any of the docs questions or refusals.

You have to say, " I can't live like this anymore - you haven't solved my

problem and I have a list of things I need ruled out based on my own

symptoms, previous blood work and my research " . Also, It can't hurt to

remind them of a few things:

You write that the doc said no testing of hormones because once you are on

BC pills you are being given hormones and test is invalid. Well - thats

just plain stupid, not to mention inaccurate... we all have to get our blood

tested while on thyroid hormones, or fertility drugs, or a thousand other

kinds of meds - to check and balance blood levels. If ur next test shows you

are in the reference range for your age grp, then you can move on to another

problem... (By the way, some labs have reference ranges for women on BC,

just as they do for women on HRT for menopause - so IT IS DONE). You haved

GOT to go to the doc and stand your ground on this. I repeat again - its no

skin off his nose if you have the test. And if you have to - have it

rechecked at a place like healthcheck usa (where no script is needed) and

take the results to the appropriate doc to get help. Honestly, how else is

anyone going to know whether the dosage you are taking is appropriate?!??!

I would certainly want to be tested for all sex hormones.

I want to point out that when my FERRITIN was 45, I lost over half my hair -

my eyebrows and my left eyelashes and my fingernails (which used to cut

cardboard) broke off constantly. Fatigue was unbelievable . When it was

65, I began to get eyebrows back - lose less hair and got back some energy.

At 101 now, am GROWING hair - not losing & feel so much better. Have

fingernails again to boot!!!

U didn't give us the reference ranges w/your labs.

you just have to change your attitude with the docs. Behave as if you are a

partner in your care, not at his mercy. I know how hard that is - it took 2

yrs of convincing me on another list I belong to - to get me to REALLY

prepare myself for a docs visit.

If it was me - I'd do these things for myself to ensure optimum thyroid med

absorption:

1.) Be certain I was taking a FERRITIN supplement - like Slow-Fe to bring up

that Ferritin level- but taking it AT LEAST 4 hours or longer from the time

I took my thyroid meds.

2.) Be CERTAIN I was taking no food for at least one hour AFTER my thyroid

meds.

3.) Be CERTAIN I was taking NO MEDS OR VITAMINS., etc. until four hours

AFTER my thyroid meds.

4.) Be certain that my other iron labs were okay.

5.) Get my B-12checked.

6.) Get complete sex hormone testing, including FSH and LH, as well as SHBG

6.) Complete adrenal check

7.) Switch my BC pills to either Bioidentical compounded creams or patch.

These methods of sex hormones have less effect on thyroid meds tissue

availability. Creams and patches bypass the liver , as explained in sites

included here and so have less effect on other drugs taken by the patient.

http://www.mf.uni-lj.si/acta-apa/acta-apa-00-2/Papadopoulos.html amd

http://www.drugs.com/pdr/synthroid.html (check under Possible food and drug

interactions).

I have had great success with a patch. There is info in the MFG patient

insert for Synthroid (so it would be so for all thyroid meds) that taking

sex hormones and Sythroid together can affect the Synthroid. If you have to

- take the pamphlet to ur doc as proof there could be a problem.

8.) If truly certain I was unable to get through to my current doc, I'd be

searching my local phone book for Reproductive endocrinologist. I'd cold

call all of them to speak with Office Mgr or if possible doc himself (some

have email) about his beliefs on treating younger women with possible

hormonal imbalances combine with a thyroid problem.

Good luck Pam. I hope something here helps.

Dusty

P.S. Sorry its so long.

Re: Pamela

Did the handful loss scenario start or get worse when you

started this BC pill you are currently on?

Are you taking any OTHER meds which can cause

> I'm sorry, but your comments about losing most of the hair after

the baby STRONGLY suggests sex hormone problems, which have not been

corrected yet - even tho y our child is a couple of years old. And since

you've had all the other standards tested (thyroid, scalp biopsy, adrenals,

etc.) but NOT the se x hormones - I'd start there - if it was me.

>

SNIP SNIP: SNIP

I guess all I'm saying is the squeaky wheel gets the oil . The docs see

literally hundreds of patients a week - and unless you stamp your feet(as

politely as you can) you are just one in a sea of faces to this guy.

>

> Dusty

>

> Thank you for your post. I get so frustrated and tired I guess I

left alot of things out. I went to 35 local doctors, none would

listen. I knew it was hormonal because it was after the baby. NO ONE

would listen. One even said, " even if you need hormone replacement I

won't give it to you, you are too young. " As time passed and I

became so depressed and sicker my husband and I flew to Texas to see

world reknown Dr. Vliet, AKA hormone specialist. She said I

had premature ovarian decline and in fact the low estrogen could be

the whole culprit. I admit I have brain fog and can't recall alot of

the things, but she tried estrogen patches, creams, progesterone,

combos of it, estrace, and so on. Nothing worked. She then tried

Ortho cyclin because alot of her patients had had success with it.

Within a couple of months, my hair was better, and I was so well I

went back to work. I was put in a VERY stressful teaching situation

and all my symptoms returned. Then I stayed home a few months and

things were better again. When a great job opportunity came along I

took it. I had been working 5 months when this all started again. Dr.

Vliet charges over $300 just for a half hour phone conversation. When

I explained to her that things were bad again and I couldnt afford

these phone conversations she became very rude to me. She said I was

being overdramatic and that maybe I should find another dr. So I did.

She even said I shouldnt' cry about hairloss because I didn't have

cancer. I was appauled to say the least.

This doctor now is local and new. His wife has thyroid disease. After

I told him everything I had been through he said " we are grasping at

straws, but we can give the Armour a try. "

I have had all my sex hormones checked. Dr. Vliet did an extensive,

expensive check on all that. She also said that I could of had

postpartum thyroiditis. My labs as of now are:

Total testosterone: 42

ANA was negative-have been checked for lupus

I am on Ferritin. It has gone from 32 to 44. I take Iron daily.

DHEA : 80

Free T4: 1.2

Free T3: wasn't on labs this time

Estradiol was only 17 with BC pills. Dr. Vliet has added extra

before, like I was taking another 1/2 pill daily and hairloss got

worse. TSH: 3:30

I cannot help but think the BC pills have effected the thyroid meds.

But I don't know how to fix it. I need estrogen and thyroid and can't

find a weigh to balance it. I read where people add Armour every few

weeks. It has been my experience with each increase in meds. I have a

major shed.

Sorry so long, just trying to explain my frustration.

Thanks and blessings,

Pam

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I have been having problems with thyroid meds because the endo

decided to take me off Thyrolar and put me on levothyroxine, and I

ended up going hyper and my hair was falling out all over the place.

I have a question about iron.

My blood test shows

WBC -7.7 th/mm3 4.0-10.0

RBC -(H) 5.51 mil/mm3 4.00-5.30

Hgb - (H) 15.3 g/dL 12.0-15.0

Hct - (H) 45.6 % 36.0-45.0

Are any of these ferritin, and if it is would my results contribute

to loss of hair, brittle nails, loss of eyebrows?

If yes, what can I do to change this?

Roni

>

> Reading ur post below, I stand by my earlier posts, but want to add

> something here that's very important.

>

> 1st, you live in this body - you know it better than anyone - so

its up to

> you to find a way to INSIST that the docs do the testing necessary

to

> resolve ur problems. You have to speak to the docs that way,

unfortunately.

> I mean you no disrespect, but if you cannot put your foot down, the

docs

> will continue to pooh pooh your complaints. I learned this the

hard way

> with a very debilitating female disorder I got in 2002, and until I

started

> showing up at the docs very prepared (written list of questions and

things

> I'd like to try and why), I didn't start getting better. They just

see so

> many people that if you aren't prepared and don't present ur own

plan of

> action, you get left behind. The mindset seems to be if you don't

persist,

> it must not be much of a problem.

>

>

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no none of those are ferritin. and you want to get an iron panel done as well

with total iron, iron binding capacity and saturation percentage. that will

give you a better picture. your levels are high. your symptoms describe

thyroid probs

matchermaam <matchermaam@...> wrote: I have been having problems

with thyroid meds because the endo

decided to take me off Thyrolar and put me on levothyroxine, and I

ended up going hyper and my hair was falling out all over the place.

I have a question about iron.

My blood test shows

WBC -7.7 th/mm3 4.0-10.0

RBC -(H) 5.51 mil/mm3 4.00-5.30

Hgb - (H) 15.3 g/dL 12.0-15.0

Hct - (H) 45.6 % 36.0-45.0

Are any of these ferritin, and if it is would my results contribute

to loss of hair, brittle nails, loss of eyebrows?

If yes, what can I do to change this?

Roni

>

> Reading ur post below, I stand by my earlier posts, but want to add

> something here that's very important.

>

> 1st, you live in this body - you know it better than anyone - so

its up to

> you to find a way to INSIST that the docs do the testing necessary

to

> resolve ur problems. You have to speak to the docs that way,

unfortunately.

> I mean you no disrespect, but if you cannot put your foot down, the

docs

> will continue to pooh pooh your complaints. I learned this the

hard way

> with a very debilitating female disorder I got in 2002, and until I

started

> showing up at the docs very prepared (written list of questions and

things

> I'd like to try and why), I didn't start getting better. They just

see so

> many people that if you aren't prepared and don't present ur own

plan of

> action, you get left behind. The mindset seems to be if you don't

persist,

> it must not be much of a problem.

>

>

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Thank you for that information, and if I could prevail

upon you for one more question, what does it mean when

your iron is too high?

Roni

--- palma joshi <dholakia72@...> wrote:

> no none of those are ferritin. and you want to get

> an iron panel done as well with total iron, iron

> binding capacity and saturation percentage. that

> will give you a better picture. your levels are

> high. your symptoms describe thyroid probs

>

> matchermaam <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> I have been having problems with thyroid meds

> because the endo

> decided to take me off Thyrolar and put me on

> levothyroxine, and I

> ended up going hyper and my hair was falling out all

> over the place.

>

> I have a question about iron.

> My blood test shows

> WBC -7.7 th/mm3 4.0-10.0

> RBC -(H) 5.51 mil/mm3 4.00-5.30

> Hgb - (H) 15.3 g/dL 12.0-15.0

> Hct - (H) 45.6 % 36.0-45.0

>

> Are any of these ferritin, and if it is would my

> results contribute

> to loss of hair, brittle nails, loss of eyebrows?

>

> If yes, what can I do to change this?

>

> Roni

>

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you could have something called hemachromatosis if iron is too high. i'm not

sure what else but too much iron is not a good thing.

Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote: Thank you for that

information, and if I could prevail

upon you for one more question, what does it mean when

your iron is too high?

Roni

--- palma joshi <dholakia72@...> wrote:

> no none of those are ferritin. and you want to get

> an iron panel done as well with total iron, iron

> binding capacity and saturation percentage. that

> will give you a better picture. your levels are

> high. your symptoms describe thyroid probs

>

> matchermaam <matchermaam@...> wrote:

> I have been having problems with thyroid meds

> because the endo

> decided to take me off Thyrolar and put me on

> levothyroxine, and I

> ended up going hyper and my hair was falling out all

> over the place.

>

> I have a question about iron.

> My blood test shows

> WBC -7.7 th/mm3 4.0-10.0

> RBC -(H) 5.51 mil/mm3 4.00-5.30

> Hgb - (H) 15.3 g/dL 12.0-15.0

> Hct - (H) 45.6 % 36.0-45.0

>

> Are any of these ferritin, and if it is would my

> results contribute

> to loss of hair, brittle nails, loss of eyebrows?

>

> If yes, what can I do to change this?

>

> Roni

>

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thanks i just order that kind of salt i use sea salt but i order the one with iodine in it.

Re: Pamela

Pamela,

Cosider adding 1/4 t. of grayish celtic seasalt to a quart of water

when you drink water. It makes hydration much better. Dehydration

could be raising your blood pressure. Just a thought.

Pam

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:05 AM, perennialgardener2003

<perennialgardener2003 > wrote:

> Are you using an unrefined salt such as Redmonds real salt?

> According to Dr. Brownstein's book, "Salt your way to Health"

> a good unrefined salt rich with minerals and whole, should help

> normalize a blood pressure. (barring any kidney issues) When one

> uses pure white sodium (aka table salt) some bodies have a difficult

> time clearing out the sodium. It needs to be balanced with

> potassium, magnesium, etc. which an unrefined REAL salt contains plus

> usually something like 50+ other things

cells like.

>

> Also, when a person starts using Iodine, it can start to plug into

> those receptors, causing a cleansing of those hormones so that the

> iodine can start doing its work. Be sure to drink lots of good water

> (non chlorinated!) to help rid toxins from your body and kidneys.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Michigan

>> >

>> >

>>> > i stared taking iodoral around a week ago now, i am having

> stomach

>> > problems, not real bad but something i did not have before i

> stared

>> > taking the iodoral, as also i went to take my blood pressure

> at a

>> > store, and was very surprised when it said that the high

> number was

>> > 147 the low one was 80 and my pulse was 80, i have never had

> high

>> > blood pressure ever, its not in my family, just last week

> before i

>> > started taking iodoral it was normal 150 over 75 pulse was 76

> so i

>> > can only think its the cause, i do feel allot better then i

> have

>> > felt in years more energy, not so much pain in my back and

> legs,

>> > feel more alert . maybe this is something that will pass,

> after i

>> > have been on it long enough for it to fix my thyroid problems

> can

>> > anyone let me k

now if this is normal and will clear up later

> after

>> > my body is clearer.? thanks pamela

>>

>> --

>>

>>

>

>

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thanks i never use table salt ever i only use sea salt all natural, i only drink pure mountain spring water, and its also energized, by me no drugs or anything in it. i have always been big on drinking allot of water. 

Pamela

Are you using an unrefined salt such as Redmonds real salt?

According to Dr. Brownstein's book, "Salt your way to Health"

a good unrefined salt rich with minerals and whole, should help

normalize a blood pressure. (barring any kidney issues) When one

uses pure white sodium (aka table salt) some bodies have a difficult

time clearing out the sodium. It needs to be balanced with

potassium, magnesium, etc. which an unrefined REAL salt contains plus

usually something like 50+ other things cells like.

Also, when a person starts using Iodine, it can start to plug into

those receptors, causing a cleansing of those hormones so that the

i

odine can start doing its work. Be sure to drink lots of good water

(non chlorinated!) to help rid toxins from your body and kidneys.

Just a thought.

Michigan

> >

> >

>> > i stared taking iodoral around a week ago now, i am having

stomach

> > problems, not real bad but something i did not have before i

stared

> > taking the iodoral, as also i went to take my blood pressure

at a

> > store, and was very surprised when it said that the high

number was

> > 147 the low one was 80 and my pulse was 80, i have never had

high

> > blood pressure ever, its not in my family, just last week

before i

> > started taking iodoral it was normal 150 over 75 pulse was 76

so i

> > can only think its the cause, i do feel allot better then i

have

> > felt in years more energy, not so much pain in my back and

legs,

> > feel more alert . maybe this is something that will pass,

after i

> > have been on it long enough for it to fix my thyroid problems

can

> > anyone let me know if this is normal and will clear up later

after

> > my bo

dy is clearer.? thanks pamela

>

> --

>

>

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oh, i just got his book not to far into it yet but i will read all of it.

Pamela

Are you using an unrefined salt such as Redmonds real salt?

According to Dr. Brownstein's book, "Salt your way to Health"

a good unrefined salt rich with minerals and whole, should help

normalize a blood pressure. (barring any kidney issues) When one

uses pure white sodium (aka table salt) some bodies have a difficult

time clearing out the sodium. It needs to be balanced with

potassium, magnesium, etc. which an unrefined REAL salt contains plus

usually something like 50+ other things cells like.

Also, when a person starts using Iodine, it can start to plug into

those receptors, causing a cleansing of those hormones so that the

iodine can start doing its work. Be sure to drink lots of good water

(non chlorinated!) to help rid toxins from your body and kidneys.

Just a thought.

Michigan

> >

> >

>> > i stared taking iodoral around a week ago now, i am having

stomach

> > problems, not real bad but something i did not have before i

stared

> > taking the iodoral, as also i went to take my blood pressure

at a

> > store, and was very surprised when it said that the high

number was

> > 147 the low one was 80 and my pulse was 80, i have never had

high

> > blood pressure ever, its not in my family, just last week

before i

> > started taking iodoral it was normal 150 over 75 pulse was 76

so i

> > can only think its the cause, i do feel allot better then i

have

> > felt in years more energy, not so much pain in my back and

legs,

> > feel more alert . maybe this is something that will pass,

after i

> > have been on it long enough for it to fix my thyroid problems

can

> > anyone let me know if this is normal and will clear up later

after

> > my body is clearer.? thanks pamela

>

> --

>

>

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