Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie

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I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were on it

and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you?

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI

that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body

adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2

grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up

to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase

your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5

grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they

are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of

the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully

monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on

the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates

the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I

don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I

think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

emsar14 wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

until I see the doc in 10 days?

Thanks All!

Jen

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Methimazole was a nightmare for me because I was always subclinically HypoT.

Methimazole, as you probably know is designed to lower the thyroid, usually

associated with Grave's. But I had high Grave's antibodies and the dreaded

Grave's eye disease. I had no choice but to go on the methimazole to lower the

antibodies and to hopefully help my eye disease. Some folks use PTU, but my doc

was partial to methimazole. It's very effective and makes some folks very

HypoT quickly, which is why lowering the dose and watching symptoms and labs is

so important. I got labs every 6 weeks and called my doc often if I had

problems. I did have the itching problem for awhile and this is usually when

the dose is too high. My dumb Endo told me to take benadryl, when I simply

needed to lower my dose. Duh....

Ironic that you mentioned your cats. I have no idea why cats suffer from

Grave's so often - possibly stress?? What dose is your kitty on now?

So, yes the side effects were bad because it made me feel even more HypoT - so

I had all the typical HypoT symptoms. I found my way around these groups and

tried different treatment options - including block/replace which is taking

methimazole WITH thyroid replacement - which is very tricky. Eventually I went

off the methimazole and stayed on the thyroid replacement. Since then my

antibodies went WAY DOWN.

So when my new Endo said that she wanted to change me to synthetic T4, with

" possibly " T3 since my TSH was so low, I asked her to explain why my antibodies

have gone down sooooo much in the last year. She couldn't. Haha. That's why

we have to be our own doctors. Who cares about TSH if I feel better AND my

antibodies have gone down, right??

SAMMIE

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were on

it

and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you?

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI

that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body

adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2

grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up

to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase

your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5

grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they

are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of

the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully

monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on

the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates

the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I

don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I

think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

emsar14 wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

until I see the doc in 10 days?

Thanks All!

Jen

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I think with cats the problem is a benign tumor on the thyroid that produces

too much T4. The methimazole supposedly mops up the excess thyroid hormone.

I had a cat with this for several years but she would not take the

methimazole regularly so I had her thyroid tumors removed. Of course the

surgeon assured me he could take the parathyroid out and plant it into the

neck muscle and it would be fine. Maybe that worked but my cat shortly went

into kidney failure, which the surgeon denied had any relation to the

thyroid surgery.

I brought the cat back again to a different surgeon who told me that of

course it caused her kidney failure, she was 19 years old and the high

thyroid was likely changing her blood pressure keeping her kidneys working

OK. I then started giving my kitty growth hormone shots because it has been

shown to rejuvenate the kidney. My doc then yelled that I caused the cat to

have an enlarged heart. I was giving her very low dose GH (I have done

research on GH at a hospital and have 6 publications and am familiar with

the literature and I did not appreciate being blamed for my cat's heart

enlarging, when it was likely due to the sudden dramatic change in bp caused

by the thyroid failure). I begged the vet to give me some thyroid hormone

for my cat because she rapidly gained weight and was obviously hypo. The

vet refused. Went to another vet, refused again.

I don't know why I did not pursue that but I did get thyroid glandualars

from The Vitamin Shoppe. Anyway my cat died a year later.

Now I have my favorite cat with the enlarged nodule on both sides of her

thyroid and you can believe I will not go the surgery or radiation route but

am concerned about toxicity from the methimazole. They want me to have her

on 4 times the dose she is on now but I do not do so.

I also have her on cortisol according to Dr. Plechner's book on animal

allergies, adrenal problems related to cats and dogs. She is doing well.

So that is why I asked about the thyroid.

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI

that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body

adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2

grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up

to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase

your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5

grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they

are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of

the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully

monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on

the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates

the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I

don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I

think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

emsar14 wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

until I see the doc in 10 days?

Thanks All!

Jen

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[Guest guest]

What dose is it now? How much does your cat weigh? Do you get the normal labs

- FT4 and FT3?

I'm sorry you had to go through all that. But I guess I'm impressed that you

had a cat that made it to 19. My dog is 12 and when my vet said she was a

senior citizen, I almost fainted. I'm in denial. My dog needs to live forever

as far as I'm concerned.

SAMMIE

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

I think with cats the problem is a benign tumor on the thyroid that

produces

too much T4. The methimazole supposedly mops up the excess thyroid hormone.

I had a cat with this for several years but she would not take the

methimazole regularly so I had her thyroid tumors removed. Of course the

surgeon assured me he could take the parathyroid out and plant it into the

neck muscle and it would be fine. Maybe that worked but my cat shortly went

into kidney failure, which the surgeon denied had any relation to the

thyroid surgery.

I brought the cat back again to a different surgeon who told me that of

course it caused her kidney failure, she was 19 years old and the high

thyroid was likely changing her blood pressure keeping her kidneys working

OK. I then started giving my kitty growth hormone shots because it has been

shown to rejuvenate the kidney. My doc then yelled that I caused the cat to

have an enlarged heart. I was giving her very low dose GH (I have done

research on GH at a hospital and have 6 publications and am familiar with

the literature and I did not appreciate being blamed for my cat's heart

enlarging, when it was likely due to the sudden dramatic change in bp caused

by the thyroid failure). I begged the vet to give me some thyroid hormone

for my cat because she rapidly gained weight and was obviously hypo. The

vet refused. Went to another vet, refused again.

I don't know why I did not pursue that but I did get thyroid glandualars

from The Vitamin Shoppe. Anyway my cat died a year later.

Now I have my favorite cat with the enlarged nodule on both sides of her

thyroid and you can believe I will not go the surgery or radiation route but

am concerned about toxicity from the methimazole. They want me to have her

on 4 times the dose she is on now but I do not do so.

I also have her on cortisol according to Dr. Plechner's book on animal

allergies, adrenal problems related to cats and dogs. She is doing well.

So that is why I asked about the thyroid.

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI

that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body

adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2

grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up

to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase

your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5

grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they

are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of

the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully

monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on

the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates

the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I

don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I

think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

emsar14 wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

until I see the doc in 10 days?

Thanks All!

Jen

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Cats live a lot longer than dogs. I know what you mean tho. That cat slept

on my pillow for 20 years.

This current cat is my favorite baby (except for my almost blind feral baby)

This cat weighs 10-11 lbs. Her dose is 5 mg twice a day but I can only

get 2.5 mgs once or twice a day down her. Plus she gets kitty pred for

irritable bowel or food allergies. She is finally lesion free with the pred

Of course I give her the lowest dose that brings about the lesion (allergy

dermititis) reduction but she often will not take it. I have to be very

creative to find ways to hide it, sometimes sandwiched in between beef, ice

cream, yogart, etc.

Her T4 has been 5.8 on 3 different ocassions with 5.2 considered a bit high.

I asked the vet if the T4 was being converted into T3 and if not, why did

she need to be medicated. He did not have a clue as to what I was talking

about.

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI

that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body

adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2

grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up

to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase

your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5

grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they

are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of

the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully

monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on

the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates

the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I

don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I

think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

emsar14 wrote:

Hi all,

I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

until I see the doc in 10 days?

Thanks All!

Jen

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hahaha. so funny the vet was clueless about your T4/T3 conversion

questions.....

that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are

on that dose and weigh 20 times as much.

poor kitty.

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Cats have a much higher metabolism than humans, and therefore require higher

doses. I had a cat also with Graves. I also could not get him to take his

pills. I finally gave up, and just allowed him to live out his life without

the constant stress of shoving pills down his throat. He was 15 years old,

and I finally had him put down when the tumor got so big he couldn't swallow

his foot. Otherwise, he was very happy and content, but he ate more than my

dog and drank more too (and therefore filled the litterbox more).

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that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans

are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much.

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>> that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are

on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. <<

Yes but keep in mind I have a hypothyroid cat that is on 11 grains Armour!

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Really? I did not realize that was a high dose. Like I said, I only really

get a half pill into her a day. She is only 10 and my favorite so I have to

be creative in getting that into her. There is also the consideration that

the pred she is on may make the thyroid get into her cells better. No vet

seems to have a clue about the situation. And unfortunately it is very

common to have hyper in cats.

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hahaha. so funny the vet was clueless about your T4/T3 conversion questions.

....

that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans

are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much.

poor kitty.

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Really?? 11 grains for a cat? Did the cat have a thyroidectomy? How did

the cat come to be diagnosed as hypo?

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie

>> that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans

are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. <<

Yes but keep in mind I have a hypothyroid cat that is on 11 grains Armour!

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What is the website for the graves group

Thanks

Ellen---

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " C.

Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

>

> I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were

on it

> and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you?

>

> -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms

>

> Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are

post-RAI

> that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as

your body

> adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

>

> My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are

> reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't

> prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out

at 2

> grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly

dose up

> to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time.

>

> The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually

increase

> your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now

on 5

> grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even

if they

> are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer

because of

> the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to

carefully

> monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by

being on

> the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually

stimulates

> the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

>

> I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went

HypoT. I

> don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for

long. But I

> think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI.

>

> Feel better,

>

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

> emsar14 wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid

> group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl

> after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing,

> hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms.

> Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test

> and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out

> that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this

> when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to

> do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should

> lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him

> about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would

> say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid.

>

> Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my

> problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain

> until I see the doc in 10 days?

>

> Thanks All!

> Jen

>

>

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>>Really?? 11 grains for a cat? Did the cat have a thyroidectomy? How did

the cat come to be diagnosed as hypo? <<

Really.. he go diagnosed as I recognized th symptoms and took him to five

different vets before one finally listened to me and did the full panel of

testing. His T4 was normal! He had almost NO T3. I worked for the vet that

finally diagnosed him and BEGGED for the testing in spite of them all telling me

that cats dont;t GET hypo!

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Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and

against my wishes gave him the whole 4 way vaccinations.

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I wonder if McJefferies would have put your cat on cortisol first! Plechner

s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats.

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Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and

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--- mem_mem_me wrote:

> What is the website for the graves group

>

> Thanks

> Ellen---

>

>

> In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

> " C.

> Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

> >

> > I did not realize methimazole was used for humans.

> My two cats were

> on it

> > and one is currently on it. Were there side

> effects for you?

> >

> > -- Re: New to Armour- New

> symptoms

> >

> > Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some

> folks that are

> post-RAI

> > that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI

> can be tricky as

> your body

> > adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid.

> >

> > My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to

> Armour and that you are

> > reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably

> right. This doc doesn't

> > prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you

> can't just start out

> at 2

> > grains. I think others can give you a better idea

> of how to slowly

> dose up

> > to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even

> less at a time.

> >

> > The Grave's group is also good because you will

> have to continually

> increase

> > your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs

> the group and is now

> on 5

> > grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your

> adrenals as well. Even

> if they

> > are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6

> months or longer

> because of

> > the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You

> also need to

> carefully

> > monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are

> stabilized by

> being on

> > the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically

> RAI actually

> stimulates

> > the antibodies, instead of reducing them.

> >

> > I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole

> and quickly went

> HypoT. I

> > don't go onto that group very often because I was

> not HyperT for

> long. But I

> > think it can be helpful for you to hear how others

> have done after RAI.

> >

> > Feel better,

> >

> >

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

> > emsar14 wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I am new to this group after a referral from the

> Natural Thyroid

> > group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8

> months on Levoxyl

> > after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major

> sweats, heart racing,

> > hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely

> hyper symptoms.

> > Per the request of someone on the other group, I

> did the pupil test

> > and found that they were very jumpy. I called my

> doc and found out

> > that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks

> (didn't tell me this

> > when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to

> isn't sure what to

> > do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He

> thinks I should

> > lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc

> returns. I asked him

> > about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I

> figured he would

> > say that since he doesn't specialize in natural

> thyroid.

> >

> > Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which

> may be part of my

> > problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my

> dose to 1 grain

> > until I see the doc in 10 days?

> >

> > Thanks All!

> > Jen

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I just looked at my cat's lab results. The vet only checked the T4 levels.

That must be why I asked him how it would be known whether the T4 was

actually converting to T3.

I have a friend who gets T4 because she is hyper and they want to suppress

her thyroid. So what if it should be the same with the cat? Anyway, that

is why I am very conservative with the meds.

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie

Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and

against my wishes gave him the whole 4 way vaccinations.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/08/2006 02:52:35 GMT Daylight Time,

smann writes:

Plechner

s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats.

Plecher I am using to guide me in self-treating my dog.

He says the oestrogen will always be out even in male dogs, even in neutered

dogs if there is an adrenal problem.

I gave my dog cortisol for two weeks and there was absolutely no change at

all so I went on to giving him T4 (and dropping the cortisol) and it is now two

weeks since I started.

My pulse has risen 20 points from approx. 42 and I am watching and waiting

for signs of improvement in fearful behaviour.

I really thought the cortisol would see the fear off but no, it did not.

A lot of vets who specialise in this area, recommend T4 only and think

Armour unnecessary as dogs convert well anyway I think it what they are saying.

We shall see.....

My vet's idea of checking out my dog's fearful behaviour, when I asked for a

physical exam, was simply to listen to his heart for 10 seconds and then she

declared him OK but needs to be put down because of lack of quality of life!

Great huh?

Mo

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/08/2006 11:39:02 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

The multidosing with HC would not be possible with me working. But i can't

afford Plechner's protocol of testing.

I cannot afford it either Val but it is kind of irrelevant as my vet won't

even do a test!

As I had no response at all from giving Blondie h/c for two weeks I went

straight on to T4.

Was that wise?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/08/2006 12:22:02 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

How much HC were you giving him?

1/2 mg per 1 lb bodyweight is what Plechner suggests and as Blondie is 55

lbs approx (hard to get him on scales!) I gave him 10 mg am and 10 mg again in

the evening.

Mo

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 26/08/2006 12:57:53 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

I think I would have tried Pred on him.. As we know dosing at correct

times is important with people I bet it is with animals too.

Plechner suggests twice a day for the h/c though Val.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

>>I wonder if McJefferies would have put your cat on cortisol first! Plechner

s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats.<<

I put him on Pred first... The multidosing with HC would not be possible with me

working. But i can't afford Plechner's protocol of testing.

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[Guest guest]

How much HC were you giving him?

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[Guest guest]

I think I would have tried Pred on him.. As we know dosing at correct

times is important with people I bet it is with animals too.

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[Guest guest]

>>Plechner suggests twice a day for the h/c though Val.<<

he also suggests T4 only is all that is needed and I do not agree with this

either.

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[Guest guest]

My baby feral cat who is nearly blind from herpes appears fearful much of

the time. I don't know how much is startle reflex due to diminishing vision

but it seems to have increased the fearful behavior by adding cortisol

(pred). I also give her a little Armour but really do not know how much to

give her. She has a growth hormone deficiency (she exhibits some dwarfism)

and I give her a tad bit of that too.

But so far, not even the two specialists have felt testing for endocrine

functions is necessary.

Did you see an increase in the fearful behavior with the addition of

cortisol, in your dog or just no change.

-- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie

In a message dated 26/08/2006 02:52:35 GMT Daylight Time,

smann writes:

Plechner

s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats.

Plecher I am using to guide me in self-treating my dog.

He says the oestrogen will always be out even in male dogs, even in neutered

dogs if there is an adrenal problem.

I gave my dog cortisol for two weeks and there was absolutely no change at

all so I went on to giving him T4 (and dropping the cortisol) and it is now

two

weeks since I started.

My pulse has risen 20 points from approx. 42 and I am watching and waiting

for signs of improvement in fearful behaviour.

I really thought the cortisol would see the fear off but no, it did not.

A lot of vets who specialise in this area, recommend T4 only and think

Armour unnecessary as dogs convert well anyway I think it what they are

saying.

We shall see.....

My vet's idea of checking out my dog's fearful behaviour, when I asked for a

physical exam, was simply to listen to his heart for 10 seconds and then she

declared him OK but needs to be put down because of lack of quality of life!

Great huh?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services