OT: Stephania root, rife and nerve symptom help

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So I am just starting to try stephania root for the first time. Has anyone

taken this along with rife? It does have an antibacterial effect apparently.

I'm making a decoction with pieces of the whole root, so if someone has done

that, I'd also love to know.

It is supposed to be very good for nerve related symptoms and lyme. I'm

starting it to try to help with the neuro symptoms from rife treatment of

bartonella, and also to help with my eyes. (I have glaucoma that is not stable

at this point.)

My main concern is to not cause too much encysting, but I am now a year and a

half into coiling Bb and have reduced the load considerably.

I'm planning to add gingkgo and bilberry as well, at least a trial run. The

gingkgo should help the glaucoma AND help with neuro herx symptoms, hopefully!

Sherry

[Guest guest]

This is an update to my previous post to explain my progress on Stephania and

how it has impacted my coil treatments.

Adding stephania (my dosage ended up being 6 g whole root pieces boiled into a

decoction, then drinking half in the morning and half in the evening), led to a

very strong herx. The herx symptoms were very typical of borrelia herx, and

possibly bartonella as there were some nerve components. (This might still be

just part of borrelia herx.) The herx was pretty rough for a week or ten days,

I kept muscle testing positively to continue taking the stephania otherwise I

would have taken a break.

Because of the herx, I cut way back on rife for awhile. I typically treat Bb

every 5-7 days, and bartonella daily. I had to cut that back and very gradually

add it back in. After several weeks I am now back to the regular rife schedule

and have actually increased time with less herx.

The main effects of stephania as I understand it is that it helps correct some

of the immune dysfunction that Bb causes, and helps with inflammation.

Apparently the antimicrobial effects are mild.

So far, I think this has been a good treatment success for me. I have just

increased the herb to 7 g a day of whole herb. I seem to have reached a little

higher plateau of health. I am not taking any other killing herbs, and no other

supplement changes during this time, so I am sure the effects are related to the

stephania. My sense is that by correcting the immune dysfunction, my own immune

system has gone after Bb more effectively.

I don't think that the stephania is causing encysting like an antibiotic would,

but it is true that my Bb herxes to rife are very mild right now. If the August

seasonal flare is repressed, then I will start to worry more about encysting.

I've not found many posts about stephania use, so decided to post my experience

in case it helps someone.

BTW, the main side effect is constipation. I use salt/C and with C every couple

of hours I did okay. The bloating it caused initially seems to have improved

over time.

(I buy stephania locally in China at the Chinese medicine shop. It is clearly

little pieces of dried plant. The decoction is bitter but not as bad as some.)

Sherry

>

> So I am just starting to try stephania root for the first time. Has anyone

taken this along with rife? It does have an antibacterial effect apparently.

I'm making a decoction with pieces of the whole root, so if someone has done

that, I'd also love to know.

>

> It is supposed to be very good for nerve related symptoms and lyme. I'm

starting it to try to help with the neuro symptoms from rife treatment of

bartonella, and also to help with my eyes. (I have glaucoma that is not stable

at this point.)

>

> My main concern is to not cause too much encysting, but I am now a year and a

half into coiling Bb and have reduced the load considerably.

>

> I'm planning to add gingkgo and bilberry as well, at least a trial run. The

gingkgo should help the glaucoma AND help with neuro herx symptoms, hopefully!

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you sherry to have posted did it help the brain fog and blurr vision please ?

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:21 PMSubject: Re: OT: Stephania root, rife and nerve symptom help

This is an update to my previous post to explain my progress on Stephania and how it has impacted my coil treatments.Adding stephania (my dosage ended up being 6 g whole root pieces boiled into a decoction, then drinking half in the morning and half in the evening), led to a very strong herx. The herx symptoms were very typical of borrelia herx, and possibly bartonella as there were some nerve components. (This might still be just part of borrelia herx.) The herx was pretty rough for a week or ten days, I kept muscle testing positively to continue taking the stephania otherwise I would have taken a break. Because of the herx, I cut way back on rife for awhile. I typically treat Bb every 5-7 days, and bartonella daily. I had to cut that back and very gradually add it back in. After several weeks I am now back to the regular rife schedule and have actually increased time with less herx.The main effects of stephania as I

understand it is that it helps correct some of the immune dysfunction that Bb causes, and helps with inflammation. Apparently the antimicrobial effects are mild.So far, I think this has been a good treatment success for me. I have just increased the herb to 7 g a day of whole herb. I seem to have reached a little higher plateau of health. I am not taking any other killing herbs, and no other supplement changes during this time, so I am sure the effects are related to the stephania. My sense is that by correcting the immune dysfunction, my own immune system has gone after Bb more effectively.I don't think that the stephania is causing encysting like an antibiotic would, but it is true that my Bb herxes to rife are very mild right now. If the August seasonal flare is repressed, then I will start to worry more about encysting.I've not found many posts about stephania use, so decided to post my experience in case it helps

someone.BTW, the main side effect is constipation. I use salt/C and with C every couple of hours I did okay. The bloating it caused initially seems to have improved over time.(I buy stephania locally in China at the Chinese medicine shop. It is clearly little pieces of dried plant. The decoction is bitter but not as bad as some.)Sherry>> So I am just starting to try stephania root for the first time. Has anyone taken this along with rife? It does have an antibacterial effect apparently. I'm making a decoction with pieces of the whole root, so if someone has done that, I'd also love to know.> > It is supposed to be very good for nerve related symptoms and lyme. I'm starting it to try

to help with the neuro symptoms from rife treatment of bartonella, and also to help with my eyes. (I have glaucoma that is not stable at this point.)> > My main concern is to not cause too much encysting, but I am now a year and a half into coiling Bb and have reduced the load considerably.> > I'm planning to add gingkgo and bilberry as well, at least a trial run. The gingkgo should help the glaucoma AND help with neuro herx symptoms, hopefully!> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Marie, my blurred vision comes and goes so it is hard to be definitive but it

has been better lately. Brain fog hasn't cleared yet fully but I'm not sure yet

if I have reached the full potential of the stephania for that. I've also

started gingkgo biloba, and am trying two or three other new things that all

could impact brain fog. So I'm not sure I'll be able to know just what the

stephania does for that.

Sherry

> >

> > So I am just starting to try stephania root for the first time. Has anyone

taken this along with rife? It does have an antibacterial effect apparently. I'm

making a decoction with pieces of the whole root, so if someone has done that,

I'd also love to know.

> >

> > It is supposed to be very good for nerve related symptoms and lyme. I'm

starting it to try to help with the neuro symptoms from rife treatment of

bartonella, and also to help with my eyes. (I have glaucoma that is not stable

at this point.)

> >

> > My main concern is to not cause too much encysting, but I am now a year and

a half into coiling Bb and have reduced the load considerably.

> >

> > I'm planning to add gingkgo and bilberry as well, at least a trial run. The

gingkgo should help the glaucoma AND help with neuro herx symptoms, hopefully!

> >

> > Sherry

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sherry ,

I know what works and what doe snot when one of thebottle gets empty , if it stays the same I assume it is theother one that were effective , if I agravate I assume th eone that just finished was effective

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 1:12 AMSubject: Re: OT: Stephania root, rife and nerve symptom help

Marie, my blurred vision comes and goes so it is hard to be definitive but it has been better lately. Brain fog hasn't cleared yet fully but I'm not sure yet if I have reached the full potential of the stephania for that. I've also started gingkgo biloba, and am trying two or three other new things that all could impact brain fog. So I'm not sure I'll be able to know just what the stephania does for that.Sherry> >> > So I am just starting to try stephania root for the first time. Has anyone taken this along with rife? It does have an antibacterial effect

apparently. I'm making a decoction with pieces of the whole root, so if someone has done that, I'd also love to know.> > > > It is supposed to be very good for nerve related symptoms and lyme. I'm starting it to try to help with the neuro symptoms from rife treatment of bartonella, and also to help with my eyes. (I have glaucoma that is not stable at this point.)> > > > My main concern is to not cause too much encysting, but I am now a year and a half into coiling Bb and have reduced the load considerably.> > > > I'm planning to add gingkgo and bilberry as well, at least a trial run. The gingkgo should help the glaucoma AND help with neuro herx symptoms, hopefully!> > > > Sherry> >>