Vaccines

[Guest guest]

My son is due some shots before he starts Kindergarden in a few weeks. He has

not had any since he was a toddler. I have mixed feelings/beliefs about the

vaccines causing autism. I am not sure what to think anymore. I am just uneasy

about the shots, but I have to get them, right? If I don't he will not be

allowed to attend public school, am I correct?

Any comments appriciated

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

No, you do *not* have to get shots to attend school. In CA, just

turn the card over and sign the waiver. Different states have

different regs but most states do not *require* shots. Schools just

don't want you to know that and most people in the schools don't know

the regs and just tell parents they must. You can google vaccine

laws to get more info on your state but I think you are in CA, right?

I do not vaccinate. I don't believe my child has autism because of

vaccines, though. This does not mean that I don't think it can or

that it hasn't done so to other children. I choose not to vaccinate

because I already have serious concerns about my son's immune system

that I don't want to add anymore. He did get his shots up until 2,

though - pre-dx. My youngest does not get shots either. Since his

brother has a poor immune system I don't want to take any chances.

My youngest is already showing enough signs that his immune system

isn't great, not bad like his brother, but not great, either.

The way I see vaccines is that they *all* come with warnings and

risks. Why on earth would it be so far fetched to think that a shot,

that is known to have risks of seizures, etc. can contribute to

autism and other developmental delays in a body that has a

compromised immune system?!? If my son's body is overrun with

viruses that he *already* can't deal with, why would I add more and

make it that much worse? There's no one there to tell you when the

shots are given that say, " hey, your child's body might not be able

to handle the viral load we are about to inject into him/her. " If

the HHV6 virus (and whatever others) can cause this in my son, why is

it so unbelievable that the MMR, Varicella, DTAP or any other shot

could do the same? And this is without even getting into the whole

heavy metals debate...

Basically, I know my son is viral and I know his body isn't dealing

well with it so the last thing I'm going to do is provide more

viruses. Call me crazy.

Cheryl

On Jun 15, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Cheryl Killman wrote:

> My son is due some shots before he starts Kindergarden in a few

> weeks. He has not had any since he was a toddler. I have mixed

> feelings/beliefs about the vaccines causing autism. I am not sure

> what to think anymore. I am just uneasy about the shots, but I have

> to get them, right? If I don't he will not be allowed to attend

> public school, am I correct?

> Any comments appriciated

> Cheryl

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kristy,

you can separate the MMR if you have concerns but still want the

shots. Not all doctors will give separate shots but you can ask. If

I ever give shots, that's what I will do and our ped has already said

they would do it. I think it does cost more so I don't know how it's

handled by insurance. I think the recommended separation time for

any shot (if you're interested) is 1 month between shots. I don't

know that for sure, though. I can't remember the person who said

that but I have a copy of the delayed shot schedule she devised

somewhere in my hard drive if you want it.

Cheryl L.

On Jun 15, 2007, at 8:47 PM, Kristy Nardini wrote:

> Cheryl,

>

> I am in the exact same boat as you.

>

> You DO NOT have to get them if you are in California. You can sign

> a waiver, no questions asked (although some school personnel may

> not know this or act like they don't know this).

>

> OTOH, I'm still considering getting the last 4 for my son that he

> needs b/c the alternatives, IMO, are scary. He needs the MMR among

> others; his neurologist told me measles (or is it mumps?) is on the

> rise, and causing slooooowww, crippling brain death. I have

> scheduled appts. for the 4 shots needed for 3 weeks apart during

> the time between now and school starts, but still trying to decide

> if he will actually get all of them. OTOH, his immune system is

> much better than when he was younger and received most of his shots

> so it should be able to handle them better. OTOH, why mess with his

> immune system now, when it is just recovering?

>

> What to do, what to do???

>

> Kristy

>

> Vaccines

>

> My son is due some shots before he starts Kindergarden in a few

> weeks. He has not had any since he was a toddler. I have mixed

> feelings/beliefs about the vaccines causing autism. I am not sure

> what to think anymore. I am just uneasy about the shots, but I have

> to get them, right? If I don't he will not be allowed to attend

> public school, am I correct?

> Any comments appriciated

> Cheryl

>

>

[Guest guest]

Her name is Dr. Cave - here you go!

Cheryl

Here is Dr. Cave's delayed vaccine schedule from " What Your

Doctor Might Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations "

VACCINE SCHEDULE

ALL VACCINES SHOULD BE THIMEROSAL FREE

" Educate Before You Vaccinate "

Birth - Hepatitis B (test mother for Hep B - if positive, give

vaccine - if

negative, hold until 4-5 years of age)

4 months - Hib, IPV

5 months – DtaP

6 months - Hib, IPV

7 months – DtaP

8 months – Hib

9 months - DTaP

15 months - Measles

17 months - Hib, IPV

18 months - DTaP

21 months - Mumps

27 months – Rubella

2-3 years - Prevnar - 1 dose (Please do your research on this one,

there are many adverse reactions reported including death)

4-5 years - Hepatitis B (3 doses - first two 1 month apart, 3rd given

6 months

after first)

4-5 years - Varicella (if blood test for immunity is negative)

4-5 years - DTaP, IPV boosters

4-5 years - Test titers for Measles, Mumps, Rubella. Give only those

that test negative for immunity and split out the components 6 months

apart if more than one

On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Kristy Nardini wrote:

> Hi Cheryl,

>

> Thanks!! That's very helpful.

>

> I guess I was trying to get 4 shots done by the end of August, but

> I could

> sign the waiver so he can start school and still get the remaining

> shots

> done.

>

> I'm going to ask about separating the MMR.

>

> Poor kid!!

>

> Kristy

>

> Vaccines

> >

> > My son is due some shots before he starts Kindergarden in a few

> > weeks. He has not had any since he was a toddler. I have mixed

> > feelings/beliefs about the vaccines causing autism. I am not sure

> > what to think anymore. I am just uneasy about the shots, but I have

> > to get them, right? If I don't he will not be allowed to attend

> > public school, am I correct?

> > Any comments appriciated

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Would you please give me Dr. G's delayed schedule for

vaccinations? I had it at one point, but don't know

what I've done with it.

Thanks-

--- Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

> Kristy,

>

> We did go ahead and get the vaccines basically using

> Dr. G's delayed

> schedule for our two-year old and she's doing

> gloriously well.

>

> For my little guy, Dr. G recommended that we do and

> MMR titer before

> kindergarten for the MMR and it showed that he

> already had immunity from his

> first shot, so we just took a letter stating that to

> the school and they

> gave us no problems about skipping the second one.

> The way I understand it,

> the second shot is just an " insurance " that the

> child has immunity, so if

> there is already immunity there's no reason to give

> it... it's not thought

> that the having a second shot gives you *more*

> immunity if you're already

> immune.

>

> By the way, we're in Indiana.

>

> Caroline

>

>

> > From: Kristy Nardini <krnardini@...>

> > Reply-< >

> > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:47:42 -0700

> > < >

> > Subject: RE: Vaccines

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheryl,

> >

> > I am in the exact same boat as you.

> >

> > You DO NOT have to get them if you are in

> California. You can sign a waiver,

> > no questions asked (although some school personnel

> may not know this or act

> > like they don't know this).

> >

> > OTOH, I'm still considering getting the last 4 for

> my son that he needs b/c

> > the alternatives, IMO, are scary. He needs the MMR

> among others; his

> > neurologist told me measles (or is it mumps?) is

> on the rise, and causing

> > slooooowww, crippling brain death. I have

> scheduled appts. for the 4 shots

> > needed for 3 weeks apart during the time between

> now and school starts, but

> > still trying to decide if he will actually get all

> of them. OTOH, his immune

> > system is much better than when he was younger and

> received most of his shots

> > so it should be able to handle them better. OTOH,

> why mess with his immune

> > system now, when it is just recovering?

> >

> > What to do, what to do???

> >

> > Kristy

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

It's old, but here it is! I don't think that anything has really changed as

far as his opinions on this, so it's probably still " good " . I pulled it off

of the " Ask Dr. Goldberg " section on his website a long time ago... I don't

know if they still have that section with the new site design.

Caroline

" In general (depending upon the

child, general health, allergy prevention, etc.) I would give the DPT /

Polio / Hib (generally OK together) at 2, 4, 6 months old, DPT / Polio

booster at 18 months old (note: still believe in Tylenol or Advil or Motrin

for 24 hrs starting with a dose before heading to the physicians office), I

do not give Hepatitis B in the nursery but generally give it during baby

visits (not at same time as other vaccines). MMR (I do not generally

separate it) can be given 12 15 months old (depending on measles risk in

your area, time of year, etc.) ?? delay a little later (IF no exposure risk

to measles). I am not currently in favor of the chickenpox vaccine before

adolescence and do not recommend the 5 year MMR to any children in the

practice (believe 10 11 yr. old booster far more logical medically).

As I have discussed, the biggest key to lowering the risks for your son, is

good allergy control, dietary eliminations, maintain a healthy not

stressed child (under which circumstances the vaccines are fine too give)

Again please see presentations and discussions on this site for further

discussion. "

Take care, MJG

> From: Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:30:35 -0700 (PDT)

> < >

> Subject: Re: Vaccines

>

> Would you please give me Dr. G's delayed schedule for

> vaccinations? I had it at one point, but don't know

> what I've done with it.

> Thanks-

[Guest guest]

I didn't know Dr. G had a delayed schedule - we've never spoken about

it. Thanks for sharing!

cheryl

On Jun 16, 2007, at 6:51 AM, Caroline Glover wrote:

> ,

>

> It's old, but here it is! I don't think that anything has really

> changed as

> far as his opinions on this, so it's probably still " good " . I

> pulled it off

> of the " Ask Dr. Goldberg " section on his website a long time ago...

> I don't

> know if they still have that section with the new site design.

>

> Caroline

>

> " In general (depending upon the

> child, general health, allergy prevention, etc.) I would give the

> DPT /

> Polio / Hib (generally OK together) at 2, 4, 6 months old, DPT / Polio

> booster at 18 months old (note: still believe in Tylenol or Advil

> or Motrin

> for 24 hrs starting with a dose before heading to the physicians

> office), I

> do not give Hepatitis B in the nursery but generally give it during

> baby

> visits (not at same time as other vaccines). MMR (I do not generally

> separate it) can be given 12 15 months old (depending on measles

> risk in

> your area, time of year, etc.) ?? delay a little later (IF no

> exposure risk

> to measles). I am not currently in favor of the chickenpox vaccine

> before

> adolescence and do not recommend the 5 year MMR to any children in the

> practice (believe 10 11 yr. old booster far more logical medically).

>

> As I have discussed, the biggest key to lowering the risks for your

> son, is

> good allergy control, dietary eliminations, maintain a healthy not

> stressed child (under which circumstances the vaccines are fine too

> give)

> Again please see presentations and discussions on this site for

> further

> discussion. "

>

> Take care, MJG

>

> > From: Curtis and Hackler <thehacks@...>

> > Reply-< >

> > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:30:35 -0700 (PDT)

> > < >

> > Subject: Re: Vaccines

> >

> > Would you please give me Dr. G's delayed schedule for

> > vaccinations? I had it at one point, but don't know

> > what I've done with it.

> > Thanks-

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristy. I have two kids who just received a letter from the school board

saying that if they didn't get their shots updated (MMR booster) they were being

expelled (I'm in Canada).

In our case, all I did was go to City Hall and swear to a Notary that it was

against my beliefs. Then I had to take the Notary stamped paper over to the

Immunization office at the city. They sent a copy to the school board. I have

been told that if there is an outbreak of anything in the school system that my

children have not been immunized for -- or in our case, boosted for -- (measles,

mumps or rubella) they will be unable to attend school until the outbreak is

over. That sounds like a good plan to me.

That being said, my son was tested for all his titers last December and his DPT

came back low so I had him boosted him for that. He was fine after the shot. His

levels for MMR are good right now (as I suspect they are for my daughter) so I'm

not doing those at this time. When their titers start to go down (I'll test

every few years), I'll give them the three in the MMR separately. It is more

expensive that way, but I'm willing to pay.

Just another way to do it. Good luck.

Rhoda

RE: Vaccines

>

>

>

> Cheryl,

>

> I am in the exact same boat as you.

>

> You DO NOT have to get them if you are in California. You can sign a waiver,

> no questions asked (although some school personnel may not know this or act

> like they don't know this).

>

> OTOH, I'm still considering getting the last 4 for my son that he needs b/c

> the alternatives, IMO, are scary. He needs the MMR among others; his

> neurologist told me measles (or is it mumps?) is on the rise, and causing

> slooooowww, crippling brain death. I have scheduled appts. for the 4 shots

> needed for 3 weeks apart during the time between now and school starts, but

> still trying to decide if he will actually get all of them. OTOH, his immune

> system is much better than when he was younger and received most of his

shots

> so it should be able to handle them better. OTOH, why mess with his immune

> system now, when it is just recovering?

>

> What to do, what to do???

>

> Kristy

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I just wanted you ladies to know that my son had to get immunized before

preschool (at age 4). He hadn't had the MMR shot yet and with all the hooplah

about that vaccine, I was more than a little nervous. Still, my son had been

with Dr. G for a year and a half at that point and with the antiviral and

antifungal his immune system was much more stable and healthy. Dr. G said to go

ahead with the MMR but to give any other shot 2 months apart from the MMR.

Everything turned out fine. No regression or scary behavior... just thought

this might ease your mind a little. (If you need to, just get the waiver and

take your time.)

Also when it came time for Kindergarten, we didn't get the MMR booster but

presented the school with a letter from Dr. G's office along with lab results

showing that his antibodies were still strong and no booster was needed. I

haven't had a problem from the school. Just get to know the school nurse.

Best of luck to those of you who have little ones going off to Kindergarten in

the fall. It is a scary enough rite of passage for them (and you!) without all

of the delays and health/vaccination concerns. My son is going into second

grade next year and though he doesn't have a best friend yet, the kids have been

very good to him-- invitations to birthday parties and all that. Just that that

might ease your mind too.

All the best,

April

[Guest guest]

I don't know what Dr. G recommends, but I have a 15-year-old who has ADHD and

although he had all his shots up to age 10, I started looking more closely at

the vaccines offered for the older kids after that because my youngest had just

received his ASD diagnosis. In most cases I have not had my older son immunized

with these additional shots because many of them continue to be preserved with a

mercury agent since they fall outside of the children's regular immunization

schedule. Even the annual flu shot -- which is routinely given here free for all

children and adults who want it -- is preserved in mercury. I'm in Canada, so

things may be different where you live, but it is something you might want to

consider/look into if mercury is a factor for you. For my younger ones, I am

starting the process of having them immunized for their MMR booster (which does

not contain mercury), but I am ordering the shots separately so that they get

one each year instead of a triple load all at once.

All the best.

Rhoda

vaccines

Hi Everyone,

We are not working with Dr. Goldberg anymore but still following much of his

advice and the basic protocol. My son received all of the recommended

vaccines up to age 3 and then has not received any more. Now that he is

healthier and his immune system is a bit more regulated, at age 16, we are

considering possibly having him get a few of the recommended vaccines he

missed.

His regular pediatrician has recommended that he get Menactra/Meingoccocal,

HepA and Tdap. Can any of you tell me what Dr. G's recommendation is on these

three vaccines? Thanks,

Gaylen

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