viral die-off

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In a message dated 1/20/03 7:30:42 PM Central Standard Time,

marib005@... writes:

> The right sided weakness is a dead give away.

Do you know if it's always on the right side or have you heard of cases of

left-sided weakness? Our doc just mentioned problems on one side of the body.

> I have been adding in a bunch of new supplements suggested by Andy

> and today I had an episode of this sort, drunkeness followed by

> weeping. Are you sure this is not a yeast die-off? I am happy to

> hear this is viral die-off.

The doc said it is one of the more common viral die-off signs he sees. I

really don't think it is yeast since the only thing he's taking that could

affect yeast is the Lauricidin and he's been on that for several months.

Also, I don't think he has high yeast. We recently ran the full titer yeast

test and it was negative, he very very rarely eats anything that would feed

yeast and hasn't responded to any anti-yeast meds for a few years.

>> regarding the die-off, increase anything.

>

No, just to remain on course and if the die-off lasted more than 21 days,

he'd consider changing meds. Curt hasn't had any die-off stuff since last

week (which would have been day 19 or 20) and seems to be doing well. So far

no earth shattering progress but a small, but obvious, improvement in writing

and fine motor, is calmer and we're getting through his workload much quicker

so I guess he's more focused. All this is pretty subtle though, except the

calmness. That's a real biggie for him since he's usually very hyper.

Usually, when he doesn't take his calcium, he'd be very wiggly and hard to

settle. We took the calcium out two weeks ago (doc thought the aspartate in

it might have a negative effect on the antiviral treatment) and he appears to

not need it to remain calm anymore. We'll be testing for calcium levels with

the reg doc soon to ensure he's ok without it but it is amazing that he's not

bouncing off the walls or having trouble getting to sleep without it like he

did before. Sign of antiviral working, I hope.

> Okay now I was just informed that he has a rash all over his body.

> Should I do anything,

>

Sounds like maybe an allergy to the supplement?

Gaylen

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Gaylen,

Regarding the weakness to one-side of the body. What I have read is

that herpes viruses like the temporal lobes, which can lead to a

weakness on one side of the body. With our kids I would imagine it

would be the right side because the left temporal lobe is

responsible for most of langauge. Which is also a good indication

that if there is right-sided weakness and poor langauge that not

only would the weakness improve from an antiviral but langauge

should as well. Of course this is my theory but I have witness

improved langauge processing with an improvement in Jack's gait.

nne

> In a message dated 1/20/03 7:30:42 PM Central Standard Time,

> marib005@h... writes:

>

>

> > The right sided weakness is a dead give away.

>

> Do you know if it's always on the right side or have you heard of

cases of

> left-sided weakness? Our doc just mentioned problems on one side

of the body.

>

>

> > I have been adding in a bunch of new supplements suggested by

Andy

> > and today I had an episode of this sort, drunkeness followed by

> > weeping. Are you sure this is not a yeast die-off? I am happy

to

> > hear this is viral die-off.

>

> The doc said it is one of the more common viral die-off signs he

sees. I

> really don't think it is yeast since the only thing he's taking

that could

> affect yeast is the Lauricidin and he's been on that for several

months.

> Also, I don't think he has high yeast. We recently ran the full

titer yeast

> test and it was negative, he very very rarely eats anything that

would feed

> yeast and hasn't responded to any anti-yeast meds for a few years.

>

> >> regarding the die-off, increase anything.

> >

> No, just to remain on course and if the die-off lasted more than

21 days,

> he'd consider changing meds. Curt hasn't had any die-off stuff

since last

> week (which would have been day 19 or 20) and seems to be doing

well. So far

> no earth shattering progress but a small, but obvious, improvement

in writing

> and fine motor, is calmer and we're getting through his workload

much quicker

> so I guess he's more focused. All this is pretty subtle though,

except the

> calmness. That's a real biggie for him since he's usually very

hyper.

> Usually, when he doesn't take his calcium, he'd be very wiggly and

hard to

> settle. We took the calcium out two weeks ago (doc thought the

aspartate in

> it might have a negative effect on the antiviral treatment) and he

appears to

> not need it to remain calm anymore. We'll be testing for calcium

levels with

> the reg doc soon to ensure he's ok without it but it is amazing

that he's not

> bouncing off the walls or having trouble getting to sleep without

it like he

> did before. Sign of antiviral working, I hope.

>

> > Okay now I was just informed that he has a rash all over his

body.

> > Should I do anything,

> >

> Sounds like maybe an allergy to the supplement?

> Gaylen

>

>

>

>

>

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I am new to this board with a question:

My 3-year old son has been on Acyclovir for the past 2 weeks.(had

positive antibodies to herpes virus I). We are not pts of Dr G's but

I decided to try antivirals anyway because had a very sudden

and fast regression (though he was never 100% normal " ).Since we

increased the Acyclovir dose he is incredibly spaced out,

disconnected, moody, stimmy, perseverative, echolalic etc- you get

the picture. Ironically his language skills seem a little better but

overall a lot more autistic- like behaviors.

I would be thankful for anybody sharing their experiences with

antiviral die-off- is it common, is it a good prognostic factor and

how long does it last?

Thank you

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Even though my son has never taken Acyclovir, he did experience die

off with Valtex and Famvir. In both of these cases, his " symptoms "

included spaciness, irritability, spinning, shaking his head, trouble

coming up with words. At his worst, it lasted only 3-5 days, but

these symptoms came and went for 3 weeks.

HTH

--- In , " mariaprelipcean " <mariaprelipcean@y...>

wrote:

> I am new to this board with a question:

> My 3-year old son has been on Acyclovir for the past 2 weeks.(had

> positive antibodies to herpes virus I). We are not pts of Dr G's

but

> I decided to try antivirals anyway because had a very sudden

> and fast regression (though he was never 100% normal " ).Since we

> increased the Acyclovir dose he is incredibly spaced out,

> disconnected, moody, stimmy, perseverative, echolalic etc- you get

> the picture. Ironically his language skills seem a little better

but

> overall a lot more autistic- like behaviors.

> I would be thankful for anybody sharing their experiences with

> antiviral die-off- is it common, is it a good prognostic factor

and

> how long does it last?

> Thank you

>

>

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Dana and others,

I have been giving Virastop beginning in early fall. As soon as I

increased the dose to 2/day, a rash appeared on trunk which is a

combination of small pimples and red unraised rash. This has only

settled down to a few spots recently so I am planning to increase

dosage again. Any thoughts on how long this excretion lasts and how

high the dose should be for optimum benefit(120#)? Any experience

using this with low dose naltrexone-would that facilitate

excretion? - theoretically I would think so....thanks, B.

> > I did the vitamin A protocol not too long ago, I thought that

might

> > reduce his viral load? I am adding small amounts of Olive leaf

> > extract. He didn't respond to the supplement in the past so

> > hopefully he will now. Do you think that Olive leaf extract is

> > similar to oil of oregano?

>

>

> I don't really know. My son did not tolerate oil of oregano.

>

>

> > Would taking these things cause a viral die off which would seem

like

> > his virus issues are increasing?

>

>

> Viral die off tends to increase yeast. It also causes a full body

> rash for my son, which *does* look a little bit like viruses are

> increasing when they are actually coming out of his body.

>

> Dana

>

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>

> Dana and others,

> I have been giving Virastop beginning in early fall. As soon as I

> increased the dose to 2/day, a rash appeared on trunk which is a

> combination of small pimples and red unraised rash. This has only

> settled down to a few spots recently so I am planning to increase

> dosage again. Any thoughts on how long this excretion lasts and how

> high the dose should be for optimum benefit(120#)?

Well, I used OLE the first time I did anti-virals. After 10 months of

OLE, my son developed a rash which took about a month to go away.

This time, I am using OLE and ViraStop, plus vitamin C, colostrum, and

occasionally astralagus root. I give 3-6 ViraStop capsules, plus

3000mg OLE, per day, plus maybe 10 grams of vitamin C. My son has had

the rash for about 2 months now, and it is not showing signs of

reducing any time soon. His language and social interest are really

going thru the roof tho!

Some people I know are using just ViraStop, as much as 15-20 capsules

per day.

>>Any experience

> using this with low dose naltrexone-would that facilitate

> excretion? - theoretically I would think so....

I have read that LDN helps the immune system, so I would guess that it

would probably help. 1-2 capsules of ViraStop does not seem like

much, so if you are seeing benefits, it might be from the combination.

Dana