Re: What do you do if tylenol or motrin doesn't work?

June 28, 2006

sometimes you need something stronger to help control the fevers/pain...this

should be discussed with your PED/Specialist-sooner, rather than later!!!

tkfourangels <TKfourangels@...> wrote: Kardyn started out this

morning with a 98.7 and by 3 it was 103.1.

Again, no symptoms other than not really wanting to eat. I gave him

tylenol at 3:30 and at 5:30 it was 102.2. by the time I had to give

him motrin at 6:30 it was still 102.0. I am afraid he is going to do

the same thing he did when he had a 104 temp. We couldn't get it

below 102 with the motrin. What do you do when the motrin and tylenol

don't take care of the fever?

Thank you,

a and Kardyn

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June 28, 2006

Hi

Sorry to hear your child is fevering. First off always begin with Ibuprofen

and alternate in 3 hrs with Tylenol.

As for getting it below a specific number when these children fever and they

have high temps you still may only get the fever down one or two degrees.

Using tepid baths and allowing your child to stay in the tub helps. as does

air conditioning as well as keeping cool cloths on the head and neck.

As long as you alternate the Ibuprofen and Tylenol every 3 hrs during the

peak days.. And there is not a delay giving the fever an opportunity to

" spike " rapidly.. It will feel terrible but you should be ok.

My son always went to 107.5 as an infant and toddler. and would never go

below 104 during his 4 peak days. It scared me but as long as I kept the

alternating going and I gave him luke warm baths. and kept his head cool. he

did not have his febrile seizures.

Do not expect temps to reduce more than 2 degrees for the most part.

Fran

Fran A Bulone

Mom to ph 7 yrs old

Waxhaw, NC

Owner & Moderator Group

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June 28, 2006

The temps discussed here with a are not extremely high.. Although

the number may seem high. especially with .. It is USUAL for temps to

elevate over 104. Very common. a has your little one actually been

diagnosed with or with any PFS??

I know you are also in Charyn's group. and I cannot recall if your little

one has TRAPS??

Remember specifically with the treatments, are alternating Ibuprofen

and Tylenol.

Second treatment if you are not comfortable with that is Prednisone. If a

dose of Prednisone works and aborts the fever without increasing frequency

and onset.. Many people continue with the steroid however,

If that does not work out then they usually add Cimetidine for at least 5

months. Your choice at this point to use Prednisone or revert back to the

Motrin and Tylenol. Cimetidine may also be added if the Prednisone has a

good effect to see if you can completely alleviate the fevers.

The last method of treatment for is removing the tonsils.

I empathize with you .. As my son had horrific fevers up until he was 5. Now

the temp only elevates to 104 or so and is much easier to control with

Motrin and Tylenol. He actually will go down to 101 at times and sometimes

the medication will last for 6 hrs.. Unfortunately my son does not have

and does have a genetic mutation causing his fevers. but at this point

I opt NOT to add any other medication because I have weighed the benefits

and risks and discussed at length with his specialists at the NIH and

locally. and we determined not to use any of the other medications.. At this

point.

In my prayers.

Fran

June 28, 2006

I will sometimes give a little more motrin or only wait 4 hours. And, put in a

warm bath.

sorry you are going through this.

Fern (mom to at 7, diagnosed at 3 1/2)

Lori Todaro <loritodaro@...> wrote:

sometimes you need something stronger to help control the fevers/pain...this

should be discussed with your PED/Specialist-sooner, rather than later!!!

tkfourangels <TKfourangels@...> wrote: Kardyn started out this morning

with a 98.7 and by 3 it was 103.1.

Again, no symptoms other than not really wanting to eat. I gave him

tylenol at 3:30 and at 5:30 it was 102.2. by the time I had to give

him motrin at 6:30 it was still 102.0. I am afraid he is going to do

the same thing he did when he had a 104 temp. We couldn't get it

below 102 with the motrin. What do you do when the motrin and tylenol

don't take care of the fever?

Thank you,

a and Kardyn

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June 29, 2006

I am told there is no danger of brain damage until you hit 107, if that gives

you any comfort. 's max has been 106.6. That was a little too close. As

she has gotten older it seems they do not run so high, usually maxing at 104 or

105 which is not nearly so scary. We just alternate the Tylenol and Motrin

keeping a chart of what was given when so that we do not overdose her on either.

The tepid bath idea never worked because it either made her chill and shiver or

cry, both of which can elevate the body temperature negating any lowering

effects of the bath.

Anne

What do you do if tylenol or motrin doesn't work?

Kardyn started out this morning with a 98.7 and by 3 it was 103.1.

Again, no symptoms other than not really wanting to eat. I gave him

tylenol at 3:30 and at 5:30 it was 102.2. by the time I had to give

him motrin at 6:30 it was still 102.0. I am afraid he is going to do

the same thing he did when he had a 104 temp. We couldn't get it

below 102 with the motrin. What do you do when the motrin and tylenol

don't take care of the fever?

Thank you,

a and Kardyn

June 29, 2006

In a message dated 6/28/2006 10:20:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

fbulone@... writes:

First off always begin with Ibuprofen

and alternate in 3 hrs with Tylenol.

Have you found that this works better?

I have found that with my son--Tylenol brings his fevers down better than

Motrin. My other two kids do great with Motrin. Nicky never really did-even

before this thing. So I start with Tylenol to lower the fever ( especially

on a school day) then in 3 hrs--before it wears off --give him the motrin

to get him through the long haul at school since it will last longer than the

Tylenol. In fact this year I am getting a medication form so that they can

dose him at school--maybe he wont miss too many days that way .

July 2, 2006

>>>They were only stressed that kiara hit 107.7 ina matter of an hour.. no

fever prior

they said it wasnt the temps so much as how fast..

kiara temps and cant have motrin as she has a sensitivity..

that scars her cheeks..

vanesa>>>

,

The height of the temp is as important as the rapid onset of fever. It is

actually amazing that our kids temps elevate so high. above 107.

In a " normal " person. who does NOT have a fever disorder we see organ

failure when temps go ABOVE 106. I have brought the issue up to some of

ph's specialists. and one theory is that the fever regulator in the

hypothalamus is different in our kids.. Sounds right to me because ph

had temps ALWAYs elevate over 107 for the first 4 years of his life. and the

onset was extremely rapid.. On the first day.

Quite scary to me even after 7 yrs of dealing with these fevers and being an

old seasoned RN! LOL

Fran A Bulone

Mom to ph 7 yrs old

Waxhaw, NC

Owner & Moderator Group