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Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 10:19 AM

Hey thank you Ariel! I think I need to limit the sites I glean info on!
lol. This is my #1 site. Others I just try to " see " what they are
doing personally, then I google the items they take and see if they are
safe or not for me. I want to get as much as I can from foods, teas,
etc as I can before taking a pill. It goes against my whole health
concept of life. BUT, how can I eat the items needed to get iodine
without gaining a whole lotta weight? So I will continue with the
iodine. I just took 2-1/2 Iodoral and a couple of the supps. Then, a
little later I will take the remaining. 150 grams. WOW. Now the
Iodoral contains both, from my understanding. I was never good in
chemistry so I would be bugging everyone with " how much? " whats a gram
what a micro gram? etc. lol I need to get Brownstein's book as well
-- there is just so much information.
I did do a spot iodine and it was gone within four hours. Totally gone.
Inside of arm, no sleeves. Big ole circle of iodine.

I will check my B complex that I take and get an idea on the numbers. I
wonder if I could just take two? I know I have absorb problems due to
gut issues. I used to take add'l Vit B12 sub-lingual along with Vit
D3. Increasing my D, now that we are snowed under for days it looks
like.

I am treating myself as naturally as possible for adrenal " issues " . My
first sauna was wonderful. I don't know if streets will be cleared for
tomorrow's session or not. Learning to relax. . Barb


> > >
> > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could
> > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?
> > >
> > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild
hyperT
> > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid
Disorders,
> > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The
advice
> > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are
the
> > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase
your
> > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which
in
> > turn increases hyperT symptoms.
> >
> > >
> > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to
shrink
> > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a
> > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I
> > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Publisher & Managing Editor
> Green Egg zine
> www.greeneggzine.com
>

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 10:31 AM

Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea Salt water. Not just for
detox, but because I like it. Strange. One tablespoon total throughout the day
correct? Or just put that in water?
As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E
400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral 37.5, upping to 50. and the sea salt. I do alot
of organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily anti-oxidants and a bit
more protein. I have cut back on coffee and believe my daily headache could be
that. Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together. Still have mercury,
tho. (And some extreme marital issues that I need to address before I just have
a stroke)
I have stopped the zinc for now. It contains copper. I am not sure if I need
copper. I have read where copper is leached into water from new copper pipes.
We have new pipes and I just am not sure.
I try to begin at a low dosage and work up. First I need to see how I react
before jumping in. Sometimes it is not a one size fits all, I was told. Copper
just worries me. And in many thyroid sites each amount of supplements to take
varies. Especially for the different types of symptoms. Have I confused the
information?
~~Barb

>
>
> > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.
>
> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I
> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during
> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out
> of blood.
>
> > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium
> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
>
> It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> taking iodine at all.
>
>
> >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
>
> How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.
>
> From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
>
> --
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>
>
>
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> --A.J. Muste
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:10 AM

I think the daily rec is for 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt, plus liberal use in food, unless you are salt loading for bromide detox.  Also I think you are missing Magnesium from your list.  The C and selenium seem on the low side but I'd have to go check the recs.  I believe I have read zinc needs copper to work most effectively.  Would have to search for the support for that though.
 
Jaxi
 
 
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, mzookiej <rubarb78@...> wrote:
 Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea Salt water.  Not just for detox, but because I like it.  Strange.  One tablespoon total throughout the day correct?  Or just put that in water?
 As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E 400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral 37.5, upping to 50.  and the sea salt.  I do alot of organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily anti-oxidants and a bit more protein.  I have cut back on coffee and believe my daily headache could be that.  Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together.  Still have mercury, tho.  (And some extreme marital issues that I need to address before I just have a stroke)
 I have stopped the zinc for now.  It contains copper.  I am not sure if I need copper.  I have read where copper is leached into water from new copper pipes.  We have new pipes and I just am not sure.  I try to begin at a low dosage and work up.  First I need to see how I react before jumping in.  Sometimes it is not a one size fits all, I was told.  Copper just worries me.  And in many thyroid sites each amount of supplements to take varies.  Especially for the different types of symptoms.  Have I confused the information?
~~Barb>>> >    But my list of symptoms?  Very long.  The craving salt really bothers me.
>> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.  Fortunately, with the> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want.  And you should have.  I> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.  Unrefined> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance.  I haven't made> this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out> of blood.>> >    I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > iodine.  Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.>> It's not just selenium.  Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> protocol is there for a very good reason(s).  If you're not taking ALL of> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be> taking iodine at all.>>> >I guess I am Hypo.  And many times Hyper.  But no treatment.  From any of
> >the endos or doctors I have seen.  I guess because my TSH is> >fine.  Great.  But I don't feel great.  :(     Barb>> How much iodine are you taking?  But you need all of the companion nutrients.
>>  From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE> treatment for any thyroid imbalance.  They didn't have an epidemic of> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
>> --> moderator, Iodine list>>>> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~>               --A.J. Muste


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Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:22 AM

does anyone get mild nausea from drinking 1/2 celtic salt in an
extra large glass of water- the size of a water bottle you carry
around with you???



On 2/2/2011 11:10 AM, jaxi wrote:



I think the daily rec is for 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt,
plus liberal use in food, unless you are salt loading for
bromide detox. Also I think you are missing Magnesium
from your list. The C and selenium seem on the low side
but I'd have to go check the recs. I believe I have read
zinc needs copper to work most effectively. Would have to
search for the support for that though.

Jaxi


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM,
mzookiej <rubarb78@...>
wrote:

Yes, am I ever craving salt and drinking Celtic Sea
Salt water. Not just for detox, but because I like it.
Strange. One tablespoon total throughout the day
correct? Or just put that in water?
As for the supplements, I do take selenium 100 mg a
day, Vit C 1500mg, Vit E 400 IU, Vit D3 4000, Iodoral
37.5, upping to 50. and the sea salt. I do alot of
organic juices, raw protein powder to get my daily
anti-oxidants and a bit more protein. I have cut back
on coffee and believe my daily headache could be that.
Will be adding decaf to cut out coffee all together.
Still have mercury, tho. (And some extreme marital
issues that I need to address before I just have a
stroke)
I have stopped the zinc for now. It contains copper.
I am not sure if I need copper. I have read where
copper is leached into water from new copper pipes. We
have new pipes and I just am not sure.
I try to begin at a low dosage and work up. First I
need to see how I react before jumping in. Sometimes it
is not a one size fits all, I was told. Copper just
worries me. And in many thyroid sites each amount of
supplements to take varies. Especially for the
different types of symptoms. Have I confused the
information?
~~Barb

>
>
> > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The
craving salt really bothers me.
>
> If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.
Fortunately, with the
> unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want.
And you should have. I
> was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was
using more than 1
> TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what
healed me. Unrefined
> salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in
balance. I haven't made
> this statement on the list in a while, but you may
be interested to know
> that ocean water has the same mineral profile as
our blood, and during
> World War II they used ocean water for transfusions
when they would run out
> of blood.
>
> > I believe a very important nutrient is
selenium when taking
> > iodine. Of course, the others have their
place - I believe it selenium
> > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E,
I have read.
>
> It's not just selenium. Each of the companion
supplements for the iodine
> protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If
you're not taking ALL of
> the companion nutrients in at least the minimum
dosage, you shouldn't be
> taking iodine at all.
>
>
> >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But
no treatment. From any of
> >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess
because my TSH is
> >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :(
Barb
>
> How much iodine are you taking? But you need all
of the companion nutrients.
>
> From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's
iodine solution was THE
> treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't
have an epidemic of
> thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
>
> --
> moderator, Iodine list
>
>
>
> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> --A.J. Muste

>




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Posted 05 February 2011 - 07:18 AM

Hi
I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had
miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to
take it. It is soy-based!

From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only
because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution,
written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy
at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra
iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy
are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long
as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of
soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still
researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy




> > >
> > >
> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers
me.
> > >
> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I
> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during
> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run
out
> > > of blood.
> > >
> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium
> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > >
> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> > > taking iodine at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > >
> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion
nutrients.
> > >
> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > >
> > > --
> > > moderator, Iodine list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > --A.J. Muste
> > >
> >
>

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 10:15 AM

Hi meadowsweet--
My biggest nodule is 1.8 cm. I don't think it's that big. It looks a little
like an Adam's apple on a man. That is what stirred me up to start asking about
the thing again. The " chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis " diagnosis with my FNA
pretty much sums up that I have Hashimoto's but didn't cause any alarm bells for
ANY doctor. No treatment at all. But my list of symptoms? Very long. The
craving salt really bothers me. Adrenals, correct? Low blood pressure too?
Tired? Don't get me started ;{

I have some saunas scheduled to help me with the adrenals. I read to sweat
sweat sweat. The infra red saunas are amazing and only $12 for a half hour
session on Mons and Thurs! YES. I want to see about lymph node massage? To
drain those things. Ew.

As for shrinking my nodules. Well, I sure am gonna try. It may be too late for
me, tho. It has been there for over six years.

I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking iodine. Of
course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium that is crucial. And
take selenium with Vit E, I have read.

I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of the
endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is fine. Great. But I
don't feel great. :( Barb

> > >
> > > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could
> > explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?
> > >
> > > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT
> > symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,
> > but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice
> > on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the
> > result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your
> > iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in
> > turn increases hyperT symptoms.
> >
> > >
> > > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink
> > thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a
> > bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I
> > daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)
> > >
> >
>

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:15 AM

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that reply, I appreciate it. As I'm newly diagnosed I haven't had a
firm diagnosis off the doctor, but he did say I have a multinodular goitre. My
scan came back earlier this week showing 4 cysts on my thyroid. The doctor
wasn't detailed about it, and I didn't have the presence of mind to ask; but I
have read that nodules (also called cysts?) can be either extended growths of
thyroid tissue cells and/or can be filled with puss or blood. I don't yet know
the structure of mine, and I don't know whether I have hashi's or graves as well
(probably not hashi's as I'm not hypo). My blood tests show mild hyperT, and I
do have mild hyperT symptoms at times - palpitations, thudding heart, hand
tremors. But my doctor's sending me for another blood test next week because he
said my last ones don't relate to the scan. He seems to think I should be hypo,
or have no symptoms at all. Oh yes, the growths are not suspicious, i.e. not
cancerous and they aren't hard they're soft. My TSH was very low, while my T3
was high; T4, lower limit of normal.

So my concern is if iodine increases the thyroid activity, will my hyperT
symptoms get worse? I suppose I ought to take it at low levels and increase
slowly, cutting back if the symptoms get too bad.

I have read about iodine shrinking nodules on people who are hypoT, and I've
just found a link on another thyroid forum where someone seems to have been
cured from hyperT using iodine, but I've yet to look at that one. Hope you get
this reply, I seem to have 3 options and wasn't sure where to post it. :-)


>
> I'll take a stab at this, anyone else feel free to chime in, or correct me if
I'm wrong.
> It depends on what you mean by " Nodules " .If you have been tested for and found
to have Hashi's, an autoimmune disorder that attacks the Thyroid, I am not very
familiar with that, as it doesn't apply to me and mine, and I've concentrated on
learning bout what is relevent for me.I think Hashi's can cause some type of
" Nodule " , can't speak to that.
> However, if you are talking about Goiters, this I know about.Your Thyroid
needs iodine, in order to make thyroid hormones.Your brain (Hypothalmus)
monitors your thyroid hormones.When they get low, it signals the pituitaty to
make Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) to 'tell' the thyroid to increase
production.When there is 'enough' Thyroid hormone, TSH drops, to 'tell' the
thyroid to reduce production.
> If you don't consume enough iodine, your thyroid doesn't have the raw material
it needs, to make Thyroid hormone.Your TSH goes up, 'telling' the Thyroid to
increase production, but the thyroid can't comply.Eventually, in a futile
attempt to increase production, the Thyroid forms goiters. Basically, it is
increasing its mass.Unfortunately, without iodine, your thyroid can be as big as
a grapefruit, and it won't produce any more hormone.
> People with GOITERS have found iodine supplementation will reduce the size of
their goiters, and eventually eliminate them.
> I have seen some posts saying that those with Hashi's can actually get worse,
at least initially, from taking iodine.Again, since it doesn't apply to me,
can't really speak to that, but perhaps others can.So, what do you mean by
" Nodules? " Jim

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:27 AM

Hello Barb,

I noticed a small lump on my thyroid (about the size of a pea) around October
2009, just over a year ago. I ignored it and didn't notice it again until
October 2010 when it had grown to approx 2 and a half inches wide by 1 and a
half inches high. My symptoms with it are very mild hyperT.

Are you hyperT or hypoT? I've read lots of success stories of people shrinking
their nodules using iodine, if they have hypoT, but not so many with
hyperthyroidism. However, I have heard of people curing hyperT through
nutrition, no doubt you're aware of the nutrient list on ithyroid.com? This chap
recommends not taking iodine until your other nutrient stores are built up (e.g.
magnesium, copper and potassium)and then start taking the iodine.

I've also read somewhere that in order for the body to absorb iodine properly
you need another nutrient, but I can't remember what it was. If you're
interested I'll try and post it to you if I can find it. Keep healthy and keep
looking for those cures. :-)




> >
> > Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could
> explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?
> >
> > I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT
> symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,
> but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice
> on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the
> result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your
> iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in
> turn increases hyperT symptoms.
>
> >
> > If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink
> thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a
> bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I
> daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)
> >
>

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 11:52 AM

wow. awesome post.Hi, my name is Tammy. I just joined this group yesterday and I'm quietly observing while I try to get through all the files and the website. Linn, would you mind if I shared this post with another group? I think alot of people could benefit from this information.-TammyFrom: Linn <linnmiller@...>To:
iodine Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:10:25 PMSubject: Re: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?


Marcy,It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten. Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove
hemaglutin. Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of
genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income. The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:http://www.thedoctor...y/Magic-Bean/Do you mind sharing what the product is?Linn On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:


Hi
I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!

From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy


> > >
> > >
> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.
> > >
> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I
> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during
> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out
> > > of blood.
> > >
> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium
> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > >
> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> > > taking iodine at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > >
> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.
> > >
> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > >
> > > --
> > > moderator, Iodine list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > --A.J. Muste
> > >
> >
>

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Even as eary as the 1930's and 40's Max Gerson M.D. was warning about the dangers of soy for patients on his natural cancery therapy. Not only did he speak about soys ability to inhibit the thyroid , but how it's downright harmful to the whole body for a variety of reasons including the toxic inhibition to nutrient absorption and/or elevated protein content . I have always thought it interesting too how they say even animals and insects will not touch it. With so many other healthy vegetable products to eat, it seems an easy one to give up. My husband and I ate lots of soy in the sixties and seventies before we knew better; both of us developed thyroid nodules I think. Kathleen

Re: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?

Marcy,
It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten.

Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove hemaglutin.

Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.

Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income.

The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:

http://www.thedoctor...soy/Magic-Bean/

Do you mind sharing what the product is?

Linn


On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:


Hi I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching. If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!Marcy> > >> > > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.> > > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1 > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out > > > of blood.> > > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.> > > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be > > > taking iodine at all.> > > > > > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb> > > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.> > > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.> > > > > > --> > > moderator, Iodine list> > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> >>

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Marcy,It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten. Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove hemaglutin. Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine.Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income. The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start:http://www.thedoctor...y/Magic-Bean/Do you mind sharing what the product is?Linn On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:


Hi
I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!

From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy


> > >
> > >
> > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.
> > >
> > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I
> > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during
> > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out
> > > of blood.
> > >
> > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium
> > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > >
> > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> > > taking iodine at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > >
> > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.
> > >
> > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > >
> > > --
> > > moderator, Iodine list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > --A.J. Muste
> > >
> >
>

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Add to that that the vast majority of soy is now GM, & there is no telling WHAT it is doing.AnneOn Feb 5, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Kathleen Blake wrote: Even as eary as the 1930's and 40's Max Gerson M.D. was warning about the dangers of soy for patients on his natural cancery therapy. Not only did he speak about soys ability to inhibit the thyroid , but how it's downright harmful to the whole body for a variety of reasons including the toxic inhibition to nutrient absorption and/or elevated protein content . I have always thought it interesting too how they say even animals and insects will not touch it. With so many other healthy vegetable products to eat, it seems an easy one to give up. My husband and I ate lots of soy in the sixties and seventies before we knew better; both of us developed thyroid nodules I think. Kathleen Re: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules? Marcy, It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that are responsible for dozens of cell life functions. Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases. Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing, block digestion not only of the soy product but of whatever else is eaten. Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant, hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove hemaglutin. Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known carcinogen, lysinealine. Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial, devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely processed food source, successfully advertised to be a health food. The soybean is one of America's largest crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is contained in a lot of items where you may not even think you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring, natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's the issue of genetic modification of an already problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They make money both ways plus they control the small farmers. I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical, who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of dollars of income. The science/health writer from Huffington Post article cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding soy. Look at info that can give you reference material for the claims. Here's a great place to start: http://www.thedoctor...soy/Magic-Bean/ Do you mind sharing what the product is? Linn On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote: Hi I've been doing lots of research into soy, because some friends who have had miraculous cures and reversals with a particular product are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!From what I can tell so far, soy does interfere with thyroid function, but only because it uses extra iodine up in the body's processing of it. The solution, written in the Huffington post by a science/health writer, is to take your soy at a different time than your thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra iodine. The article goes on to say that the benefits of the right kind of soy are great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic and suppressive effect.Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another article that allay the fears of soy; I personally have been very very skeptical about soy, and am still researching. If you have articles regarding the interference in T4 conversion, let me know!Marcy> > >> > > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.> > > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1 > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out > > > of blood.> > > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.> > > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be > > > taking iodine at all.> > > > > > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb> > > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.> > > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.> > > > > > --> > > moderator, Iodine list> > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> >>

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Hi,

I don't agree with everything in your response, but I do agree that
most soy is not helpful and most is not processed correctly.
However, there is Soy protein isolate that is made a safe, correct
way and which gives very high nutritional protein/amino acids. This
powdered form is very helpful in detoxifying and helping those who
need protein. Many people, especially our teens, are carb-holics
and do not get enough protein for their body which is trying to grow
and mature.

The company that makes this form spends millions on research and
development to prove that their products are clean from
contaminants, work, and are safe. Also, the doctor that we use for
my daughter has done a lot of studies and testing himself as he
worked in a Chiropractic teaching school and is a PhD in bio
nutritional chemistry. So there are companies out there with real
scientific studies and real results for their products. At the
moment I am only using the things they make for my daughter as her
system is toxic, low thyroid, fatigued adrenals, etc. I try to get
everything for myself from them as well, but they do not have iodine
and other ingredients we need. Our doctor does recommend and advise
to use Iodoral... His method is to take is slowly and steadily so
as not to overwhelm the body all at one time.

If you are going to use soy, I think it must be organic and
cultured, such as tofu. OR use the highly tested and safely
processed Soy protein isolate....



On 2/5/2011 10:10 AM, Linn wrote:



Marcy,


It's not just the interference with T4 conversion you
need to be worried about. Soybeans have the highest
levels of phytic acid of any legume which upsets mineral
uptake, iron, magnesium, calcium and especially zinc that
are responsible for dozens of cell life functions.
Mineral deficiencies are the cause of numerous diseases.
Zinc controls iron uptake, without it, high levels of
iron can build up which harms the liver. The high levels
of enzyme inhibitors, which are not removed by processing,
block digestion not only of the soy product but of
whatever else is eaten.


Soy contains a less commonly known contaminant,
hemaglutin, which is a clot causing agent. It causes red
cells to clump together and compromises the oxygen supply
to the body, particularly bad for anyone with heart issues
or cancer. High temperature processing does not remove
hemaglutin.


Soy is high in aluminum and a by-product of one of the
steps of processing, alkaline soaking, is a known
carcinogen, lysinealine.


Soy protein isolate is a highly processed product and
totally devoid of nutrients, ending up an artificial,
devitalized commercial food. Soy protein is a by-product
of soybean oil processing and it's big business, DuPont
for one. It's a waste product made from an extremely
processed food source, successfully advertised to be a
health food. The soybean is one of America's largest
crops, we're talking billions of dollars annually. It's
byproducts are money makers, not health foods. Soy is
contained in a lot of items where you may not even think
you're eating, items labeled with vegetable flavoring,
natural flavoring, vegetable shortening, hydrolyzed
protein, textured vegetable protein, etc. Then there's
the issue of genetic modification of an already
problematic "food" and Monsanto issues with owning the
patent on the GM soybean plus the herbicide RoundUp. They
make money both ways plus they control the small farmers.
I won't even go into the issues here. We're talking
major money players here, DuPont, Monsanto, Dow Chemical,
who don't give a damn about your health or mine. This is
major marketing hype at it's best to protect billions of
dollars of income.


The science/health writer from Huffington Post article
cites no references to back up claims made that "may" be
helpful. We've all been sold a bill of goods regarding
soy. Look at info that can give you reference material
for the claims. Here's a great place to start:


http://www.thedoctor...soy/Magic-Bean/


Do you mind sharing what the product is?


Linn


On Feb 5, 2011, at 9:18 AM, marcyzram wrote:





Hi
I've been doing lots of research into soy,
because some friends who have had miraculous
cures and reversals with a particular product
are inviting me to take it. It is soy-based!

>From what I can tell so far, soy does
interfere with thyroid function, but only
because it uses extra iodine up in the body's
processing of it. The solution, written in the
Huffington post by a science/health writer, is
to take your soy at a different time than your
thyroid hormone, and to supplement with extra
iodine. The article goes on to say that the
benefits of the right kind of soy are
great--genisten as anti=cancer, anti
inflammatory,etc...and worth it as long as you
follow the rules for avoiding soy's goitrogenic
and suppressive effect.

Somewhere on my desktop, I have this and another
article that allay the fears of soy; I
personally have been very very skeptical about
soy, and am still researching.

If you have articles regarding the interference
in T4 conversion, let me know!

Marcy


> > >
> > >
> > > > But my list of symptoms?
Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.
> > >
> > > If you're craving salt, you're in
need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> > > unrefined salt, you can have as
much as you want. And you should have. I
> > > was healed from extreme adrenal
exhaustion and was using more than 1
> > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined
salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> > > salt cannot harm you because the
minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> > > this statement on the list in a
while, but you may be interested to know
> > > that ocean water has the same
mineral profile as our blood, and during
> > > World War II they used ocean
water for transfusions when they would run out
> > > of blood.
> > >
> > > > I believe a very important
nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > iodine. Of course, the
others have their place - I believe it selenium

> > > > that is crucial. And take
selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > >
> > > It's not just selenium. Each of
the companion supplements for the iodine
> > > protocol is there for a very good
reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> > > the companion nutrients in at
least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> > > taking iodine at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many
times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> > > >the endos or doctors I have
seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel
great. :( Barb
> > >
> > > How much iodine are you taking?
But you need all of the companion nutrients.
> > >
> > > From the early 1800s through the
1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> > > treatment for any thyroid
imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> > > thyroid imbalance, they just
prescribed Lugol's.
> > >
> > > --
> > > moderator, Iodine list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace;
peace is the way ~~~~
> > > --A.J. Muste
> > >
> >
>

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- No on the soy in the protein powder. It is a Raw Protein by
Garden of Life. There is chlorella which I have seen pros/cons of
taking it in if you still have mercury fillings. But that is all that I
can see. is the protein is from RAW organic sprouts. ~~Barb

> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt
really bothers me.
> > > >
> > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.
Fortunately, with the
> > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you
should have. I
> > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using
more than 1
> > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed
me. Unrefined
> > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I
haven't made
> > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be
interested to know
> > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood,
and during
> > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when
they would run out
> > > > of blood.
> > > >
> > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when
taking
> > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe
it selenium
> > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have
read.
> > > >
> > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements
for the iodine
> > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not
taking ALL of
> > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you
shouldn't be
> > > > taking iodine at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.
From any of
> > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > > >
> > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the
companion nutrients.
> > > >
> > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine
solution was THE
> > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an
epidemic of
> > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > moderator, Iodine list
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > > --A.J. Muste
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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I've taken and done the reliv business. The business is very hard to sell because this product is kinda expensive. There are 2 products you should take together and it runs around 70.00 a month. It also made me gain weight. I really did like the reliv products but I couldn't pay that kind of money a month to keep taking it..From: marcyzram <marcyzram@...>iodine Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 12:18:50 AMSubject: Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?


Wow!

The product also contains large amounts of healing herbs, minerals, vitamins,antioxidants,etc. It is called Reliv. It is not soy protein isolate and is guaranteed non-GMO. Nevertheless, I am skeptical. Not sure why these friends have seen such remarkeable turnaround in cancers when they started taking these products. They say it is not processed soy, the kind that has the contaminants you speak of, and I wonder if the effects of the relatively low amount of soy per serving(7g)are countered by all the additional whole food supplements that sre in the product. Folks also take some pretty potent other powders from the company, with lots of herbs, and extracts, all stuff that has been mentioned repeatedly in many cancer/disease protocols(like glutathione, ALA, many other things).

Hmm....I took this stuff for awhile and felt pretty good, better than when I wasn't taking it, or when I was just taking whey. Then I read about soy from Mercola and quit it.

Thanks for your input!
Marcy


> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the
> > > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I
> > > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1
> > > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined
> > > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made
> > > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know
> > > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during
> > > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out
> > > > > of blood.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium
> > > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine
> > > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of
> > > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be
> > > > > taking iodine at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of
> > > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > > > >
> > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE
> > > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of
> > > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > moderator, Iodine list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > > > --A.J. Muste
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Take 3 to be sure.

M


> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt
> > > > really bothers me.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals.
> > > > Fortunately, with the
> > > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you
> > > > should have. I
> > > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than
1
> > > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.
> > > > Unrefined
> > > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I
> > > > haven't made
> > > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested
> > > > to know
> > > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and
> > > > during
> > > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they
> > > > would run out
> > > > > of blood.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it
> > > > selenium
> > > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for
> > > > the iodine
> > > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not
> > > > taking ALL of
> > > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you
> > > > shouldn't be
> > > > > taking iodine at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment.
> > > > From any of
> > > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > > > >
> > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the
> > > > companion nutrients.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution
> > > > was THE
> > > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an
> > > > epidemic of
> > > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > moderator, Iodine list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > > > --A.J. Muste
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group
> > > > IodineOT/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e
> > > > Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <mailto:iodine-fullfeatured >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Sorry! Just after I hit the " send " button, it dawned on me that this belonged
OT. Got too involved in the topic to realize how off-course we'd gotten.

Marcy


> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really
bothers me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately,
with the
> > > > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should
have. I
> > > > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than
1
> > > > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me.
Unrefined
> > > > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I
haven't made
> > > > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested
to know
> > > > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and
during
> > > > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they
would run out
> > > > > > of blood.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking
> > > > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it
selenium
> > > > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the
iodine
> > > > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking
ALL of
> > > > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you
shouldn't be
> > > > > > taking iodine at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From
any of
> > > > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is
> > > > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion
nutrients.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution
was THE
> > > > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic
of
> > > > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > moderator, Iodine list
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~
> > > > > > --A.J. Muste
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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This topic has veered too far away from iodine. Asking again, please take this discussion to the IodineOTGroup, thanks, Kathleen

Re: Can iodine shrink thyroid nodules?
Wow!The product also contains large amounts of healing herbs, minerals, vitamins,antioxidants,etc. It is called Reliv. It is not soy protein isolate and is guaranteed non-GMO. Nevertheless, I am skeptical. Not sure why these friends have seen such remarkeable turnaround in cancers when they started taking these products. They say it is not processed soy, the kind that has the contaminants you speak of, and I wonder if the effects of the relatively low amount of soy per serving(7g)are countered by all the additional whole food supplements that sre in the product. Folks also take some pretty potent other powders from the company, with lots of herbs, and extracts, all stuff that has been mentioned repeatedly in many cancer/disease protocols(like glutathione, ALA, many other things).Hmm....I took this stuff for awhile and felt pretty good, better than when I wasn't taking it, or when I was just taking whey. Then I read about soy from Mercola and quit it.Thanks for your input!Marcy> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But my list of symptoms? Very long. The craving salt really bothers me.> > > > > > > > > > If you're craving salt, you're in need of minerals. Fortunately, with the > > > > > unrefined salt, you can have as much as you want. And you should have. I > > > > > was healed from extreme adrenal exhaustion and was using more than 1 > > > > > TABLESPOON a day of unrefined salt as part of what healed me. Unrefined > > > > > salt cannot harm you because the minerals are in balance. I haven't made > > > > > this statement on the list in a while, but you may be interested to know > > > > > that ocean water has the same mineral profile as our blood, and during > > > > > World War II they used ocean water for transfusions when they would run out > > > > > of blood.> > > > > > > > > > > I believe a very important nutrient is selenium when taking > > > > > > iodine. Of course, the others have their place - I believe it selenium > > > > > > that is crucial. And take selenium with Vit E, I have read.> > > > > > > > > > It's not just selenium. Each of the companion supplements for the iodine > > > > > protocol is there for a very good reason(s). If you're not taking ALL of > > > > > the companion nutrients in at least the minimum dosage, you shouldn't be > > > > > taking iodine at all.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I guess I am Hypo. And many times Hyper. But no treatment. From any of > > > > > >the endos or doctors I have seen. I guess because my TSH is > > > > > >fine. Great. But I don't feel great. :( Barb> > > > > > > > > > How much iodine are you taking? But you need all of the companion nutrients.> > > > > > > > > > From the early 1800s through the 1940s, Lugol's iodine solution was THE > > > > > treatment for any thyroid imbalance. They didn't have an epidemic of > > > > > thyroid imbalance, they just prescribed Lugol's.> > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > moderator, Iodine list> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > > > --A.J. Muste> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >>

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 09:53 AM

Hello meadowsweet77, and welcome. I too want to find out. The only
thing that is nagging at me is that there has been so much time since
mine was first dxd. That the chances of controlling the growth,
somewhat, should have been done immediately. Possibly by thyroid
hormone replacement - definitely iodine. But I went for six years. So,
I may not be able to any more. It isn't going to stop me from trying,
tho.
How long have you been aware of the goiter?
I have a multinodular goiter, too and an FNA result claims an element of
chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis. Hmm. Still nothing from any endo,
pcp, od, etc. NOTHING. So I guess I am on my own. Trying to find out
why. What. When. I was taking one tab of Iodoral during the time that
the FBA was done. No hyper symptoms. This is getting interesting. I
am beginning to wonder if I can absorb any of the iodine at all?

Good luck to you! ~~~Barb

>
> Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could
explain the role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?
>
> I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT
symptoms. I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders,
but he says nothing about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice
on the internet is contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the
result of iodine deficiency, while other people say if you increase your
iodine intake this stimulates the production of more thyroxine which in
turn increases hyperT symptoms.

>
> If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink
thyroid nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a
bottle of Iodoral that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I
daren't take in case it worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)
>

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 11:21 AM

I'll take a stab at this, anyone else feel free to chime in, or correct me if
I'm wrong.
It depends on what you mean by " Nodules " .If you have been tested for and found
to have Hashi's, an autoimmune disorder that attacks the Thyroid, I am not very
familiar with that, as it doesn't apply to me and mine, and I've concentrated on
learning bout what is relevent for me.I think Hashi's can cause some type of
" Nodule " , can't speak to that.
However, if you are talking about Goiters, this I know about.Your Thyroid needs
iodine, in order to make thyroid hormones.Your brain (Hypothalmus) monitors your
thyroid hormones.When they get low, it signals the pituitaty to make Thyroid
Stimulating Hormone (TSH) to 'tell' the thyroid to increase production.When
there is 'enough' Thyroid hormone, TSH drops, to 'tell' the thyroid to reduce
production.
If you don't consume enough iodine, your thyroid doesn't have the raw material
it needs, to make Thyroid hormone.Your TSH goes up, 'telling' the Thyroid to
increase production, but the thyroid can't comply.Eventually, in a futile
attempt to increase production, the Thyroid forms goiters. Basically, it is
increasing its mass.Unfortunately, without iodine, your thyroid can be as big as
a grapefruit, and it won't produce any more hormone.
People with GOITERS have found iodine supplementation will reduce the size of
their goiters, and eventually eliminate them.
I have seen some posts saying that those with Hashi's can actually get worse, at
least initially, from taking iodine.Again, since it doesn't apply to me, can't
really speak to that, but perhaps others can.So, what do you mean by " Nodules? "
Jim


>
> Hello, I'm new to the group. I was wondering whether anyone could explain the
role of iodine for treating thyroid nodules, please?
>
> I've just been diagnosed with a multinodular goitre and mild hyperT symptoms.
I've read Brownstein's book on Overcoming Thyroid Disorders, but he says nothing
about the treatment of thyroid nodules. The advice on the internet is
contradictory. Some people say that nodules are the result of iodine deficiency,
while other people say if you increase your iodine intake this stimulates the
production of more thyroxine which in turn increases hyperT symptoms.
>
> If anyone has any advice or experience or a testimony on how to shrink thyroid
nodules - with a natural cure - I'd appreciate it. I have a bottle of Iodoral
that's been sat in my kitchen for a month which I daren't take in case it
worsens my symptoms. Thanks in advance. :-)
>



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