Re: Who Can You Trust?

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I found a doctor who has me taking supplements at 10 times the amount listed on

the bottles and I

got better in leaps and bounds. I often hear someone say they tried a

supplement for a week or

two and it did nothing for them, it took them a lifetime to get to the point

they are at and

expect results immediately.... it just doesn't work that way.

--- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> I messed up my body's ability to handle carbs thru a lifetime of bad

> diet. I only began to use supplements to revitalize my pancreas and

> change my diet to assist my cells to become less insulin resistent

> when I was 56. Now, at 61, I can see that I am making progress. It

> took decades to get into bad shape, so I should not expect to reverse

> the problem in a few months.

>

> Everyone is different. For some, it may not be possible to

> revitalize the thyroid, so Armour may be the way to go. I just

> like to remind folks that while Armour may be better than artificial

> Thyroid hormone, not needing to take any hormones seems to me to be

> far better, if possible.

>

> Alobar

>

> On 9/16/06, Cindi <cindi22595@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > no disagreement...but one problem with us Hashi's folks is so many of get

diagnosed after a

> decade or two of symtoms...and the fibrous infiltration of the gland...or

outright gland atrophy

> from the disease....doesn't leave us much option other than supplement missing

hormone. but

> true, endocrine replacement is Never as good as the body doing it. But at age

50, trying to

> undo the damage ASAP to my body from not enough thyroid hormone for 15 years

or so seemed to

> take priority for me.

> >

> > cindi

>

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Healthy diet plus an absorbing gut..... some folks do not absorb nutrients from their diet because of either low stomach acid or insufficient enzymes.

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Posted by: "" kennio@... Kennio

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:28 pm (PST)

I agree with the diet advice, my diet has improved dramatically. The concept of therapeuticsupplementing is such a relief to understand and gives me hope to reverse my Hashimoto's.

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GO ARMOUR!! It gave me back my life after an ENT ripped my thyroid out surgically and left me undertreated on Synthroid. I will fight to my death for that drug!

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well i totally agree that i don't trust pharmaceutical claims...i just wasn't aware Forest did any marketing at all on armour...other than to say it's a hypothyroidism treatment. I guess the safety of Armour is it has been used for over 100 years..safely and effectively. one of those old timey remedies before big pharm needed a patented product i guess.

can ya tell i use Armour? :-)

cindi

Alobar <AlobarGmail> wrote:

I distrust claims of safety and usefulness of all drugs, whether theyare hormonal extacts or synthetic. Marketing gets people to wantdrugs. And that puts money in the maniufatureres' pockets. So Idon't trust any ot them to be honest and to reveal any researech whichmight show safety problems for those taking their drug.AlobarOn 9/16/06, Cindi wrote:>>>> what claims?> cindi>>Iodine

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>From: <kennio@...>

>Calm yourself. Armour is made by BIG PHARM. Big pharm promotes their

>products one way or the

>other. I am not commenting on it's efficacy. Where exactly are you

>getting the impression that I

>am saying Armour doesn't work?? Read the my posts.

Also, their stealth marketing isn't that great. My first doctor had never

heard of it. My pharmacy at that time said it wasn't made any more and I'd

need a generic.

If a whole pharmacy didn't know it was made any more, I think their stealth

marketing isn't good.

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--- ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> GO ARMOUR!! It gave me back my life after an ENT ripped my thyroid out

surgically and left me

> undertreated on Synthroid. I will fight to my death for that drug!

>

> B.

> My Ebay Auctions: http://tinyurl.com/o9nqv

> MY SOY CANDLE STORE IS OPEN! COME VISIT:

> http://www.marloquinn.com/SoyScentsational

>

>

>

> Re: Who Can You Trust?

>

>

>

> well i totally agree that i don't trust pharmaceutical claims...i just

wasn't aware Forest did

> any marketing at all on armour...other than to say it's a hypothyroidism

treatment. I guess the

> safety of Armour is it has been used for over 100 years..safely and

effectively. one of those

> old timey remedies before big pharm needed a patented product i guess.

> can ya tell i use Armour? :-)

> cindi

>

>

> Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> I distrust claims of safety and usefulness of all drugs, whether they

> are hormonal extacts or synthetic. Marketing gets people to want

> drugs. And that puts money in the maniufatureres' pockets. So I

> don't trust any ot them to be honest and to reveal any researech which

> might show safety problems for those taking their drug.

> Alobar

>

> On 9/16/06, Cindi wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > what claims?

> > cindi

> >

> >

>

>

> Iodine

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Of the 8 or so hypothyroid people I know personally four of them are on Armour

including one of my

doctors. They all act like it is a secret that they caught on to. That's why I

keep trying to

take it. Hands off, no advertising, word of mouth and on the internet seems to

be very effective,

IMO.

I don't know how Armour maintains this independent anti-establishment reputation

being it is from

a big pharmaceutical company, that's all. I don't believe that they don't make

substantial profit

on the sale of Armour.

I do know that the recall on Armour a couple years ago hurt it's reputation with

some doctors.

Seem as though there was a potency problem that lasted for 2 years or so. Now I

know why my one

doctor didn't trust it.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/recall2005.htm

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> >Calm yourself. Armour is made by BIG PHARM. Big pharm promotes their

> >products one way or the

> >other. I am not commenting on it's efficacy. Where exactly are you

> >getting the impression that I

> >am saying Armour doesn't work?? Read the my posts.

>

> Also, their stealth marketing isn't that great. My first doctor had never

> heard of it. My pharmacy at that time said it wasn't made any more and I'd

> need a generic.

>

> If a whole pharmacy didn't know it was made any more, I think their stealth

> marketing isn't good.

>

> skipper

>

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> Iodine

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That may be true but if you look at the track record of Synthroid it has a far worse reputation for potency inconsistencies. That was Armour's first recall EVER. It was for loss of potency after almost 3 years. That's pretty good IMHO.

B.

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I do know that the recall on Armour a couple years ago hurt it's reputation with some doctors. Seem as though there was a potency problem that lasted for 2 years or so. Now I know why my onedoctor didn't trust it.http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/recall2005.htmMessages in this topic (53) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic

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, you are absolutely correct. Therapeutic dosaging is important and not

all docs understand this or know how to implement it. This is probably why

natural medicine gets blasted at times because people get a bottle of, say,

Vitamin C and take the amount that is recommended on the bottle. It would

be very difficult to get any positive results from this type of dosaging.

However, if CODEX should ever be implemented this is exactly what we will

get only we will need a script to be able to purchase. Natural medicine

works with the body and therefore you must give it time, use in therapeutic

dosaging and be very consistent.

Just one more thing. While supplementation is great and I highly recommend

good supplementation, we must remember that a healthy diet is of the utmost

importance when getting the body healthy and keeping the body healthy.

Loretta

Re: Who Can You Trust?

I found a doctor who has me taking supplements at 10 times the amount listed

on the bottles and I

got better in leaps and bounds. I often hear someone say they tried a

supplement for a week or

two and it did nothing for them, it took them a lifetime to get to the

point they are at and

expect results immediately.... it just doesn't work that way.

[Guest guest]

I agree with the diet advice, my diet has improved dramatically. The concept

of therapeutic

supplementing is such a relief to understand and gives me hope to reverse my

Hashimoto's.

--- " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier@...> wrote:

> , you are absolutely correct. Therapeutic dosaging is important and not

> all docs understand this or know how to implement it. This is probably why

> natural medicine gets blasted at times because people get a bottle of, say,

> Vitamin C and take the amount that is recommended on the bottle. It would

> be very difficult to get any positive results from this type of dosaging.

> However, if CODEX should ever be implemented this is exactly what we will

> get only we will need a script to be able to purchase. Natural medicine

> works with the body and therefore you must give it time, use in therapeutic

> dosaging and be very consistent.

>

> Just one more thing. While supplementation is great and I highly recommend

> good supplementation, we must remember that a healthy diet is of the utmost

> importance when getting the body healthy and keeping the body healthy.

>

> Loretta

>

> Re: Who Can You Trust?

>

> I found a doctor who has me taking supplements at 10 times the amount listed

> on the bottles and I

> got better in leaps and bounds. I often hear someone say they tried a

> supplement for a week or

> two and it did nothing for them, it took them a lifetime to get to the

> point they are at and

> expect results immediately.... it just doesn't work that way.

>

>

>

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Pathetic!

B.

Re: Who Can You Trust?

In a message dated 9/16/2006 8:33:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net writes:

That may be true but if you look at the track record of Synthroid it has a far worse reputation for potency inconsistencies. That was Armour's first recall EVER. It was for loss of potency after almost 3 years. That's pretty good IMHO.

levothyroxine Had a voluntarily recall two weeks ago.

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oh I love that "mind the gap". I say it all the time, no one gets it, it's my own little joke. And it reminds me of the lovely voice on the train in London.

Gracia

In a message dated 16/09/2006 17:08:35 GMT Daylight Time, cindi22595 writes:

whereas alternative may just waste your money.

Oh I don't know Cindi. Depends on the objective? Sort out hypoT, well no, that is not my experience of complementary medicine.

BUT, having said that, I wonder if all the alt. med. I have had has not helped me emotionally and spiritually and to perhaps have stopped me from getting a lot worse.

There is still a gap in the understanding in complementary medicine in the UK about the use of hormones - mind the gap!

Mo

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Abbe wrote:

I wonder why it is people seem to think only doctors,

dentists, and Big Pharma could be guilty of endorsing

treatments and substances that not only do not work

but may be harmful.

At least these are regulated to some degree. Think

about what *could* be going on in alternative health

care.

Example: I was using a supplement purchased at health

food store, but readily available on the Internet. I

was not taking the capsule whole. Rather, I opened it

and put it in distilled water.

etc....

I have no doubt there are people in the professions

that should not be there, people who are incompetent,

immoral, and dangerous. The point is, however, these

kind of people are everywhere and I have no doubt

there are just as many in alternative health care. Maybe more since there is little if any regulation of

alternative health care.

Personally, I trust myself.

__Kim writes:

but can we trust you?

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> > __Kim writes:

> but can we trust you?

I guess your search is not going too well, or you

would gnosis.

Abbe

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