Cold Sores

[Guest guest]

Oh dear Vicky it is heartbreaking. Our poor kids. I've been trying

to read more about viruses and autism and although I've not made a

lot of progress, it does seem that both having the viruses and

getting rid of the viruses through an effective protocol can cause

tremendously harsh and varied symptoms. Just about anything you can

imagine happening seems to be a possibility when the body is trying

to fight the virus.

I hope you find the help you need very soon for your little guy.

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination on viruses, but

if you think I can be of any help at all please ask.

Sending my warmest thoughts,

Anita

>

> Thanks Anita, I'm trying to work my way back and find how this all

kicked

> off.

> Cold sores were huge this morning and blistery, meltdowns last

night and

> this morning were particularly fierce, he also had the gloopy pooh

last night,

> first time in a very long time.

> was doing incredibly well for such a long time there,

really making

> gains almost on a daily basis, we were just starting to see the

glimmer of a

> regular little lad, it's pretty soul destroying to see him right

back in this

> state.

> His health seems to be on the wane, with the hair loss, cold sores

and now

> gloop and I just don't know why, the only thing to do is try and

work back, he

> is also losing weight, his ribs are very visible.

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

Oh dear Vicky it is heartbreaking. Our poor kids. I've been trying

to read more about viruses and autism and although I've not made a

lot of progress, it does seem that both having the viruses and

getting rid of the viruses through an effective protocol can cause

tremendously harsh and varied symptoms. Just about anything you can

imagine happening seems to be a possibility when the body is trying

to fight the virus.

I hope you find the help you need very soon for your little guy.

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination on viruses, but

if you think I can be of any help at all please ask.

Sending my warmest thoughts,

Anita

>

> Thanks Anita, I'm trying to work my way back and find how this all

kicked

> off.

> Cold sores were huge this morning and blistery, meltdowns last

night and

> this morning were particularly fierce, he also had the gloopy pooh

last night,

> first time in a very long time.

> was doing incredibly well for such a long time there,

really making

> gains almost on a daily basis, we were just starting to see the

glimmer of a

> regular little lad, it's pretty soul destroying to see him right

back in this

> state.

> His health seems to be on the wane, with the hair loss, cold sores

and now

> gloop and I just don't know why, the only thing to do is try and

work back, he

> is also losing weight, his ribs are very visible.

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

Cold sores associated with herpes virus.

Quite a lot kids when tested have been exposed to herpes virus .

My NT son has just had them ...blast ! but we seem to be doing well

giving him some Lysine

Darryl did suffer a lot with spots around the mouth until we treated

with a course of aciclovir from the GP.

They always appeared when immune system was under attack - teething

etc.

Joanne

>

> My daughter gets cold sores easily and it's hard to get rid of them.

She

> has very slight eczma occasionally. This is a virus isn't it?

> Sally

>

[Guest guest]

Cold sores are caused by the herpes virus which is a lipid coated

virus. Coconut oil destroys lipid coated viruses on contact.

My advice is to use coconut oil both on the sore when it appears, and

as a prophylactic. Its much more effective than the drugs and with no

side effects (other than good ones).

Of course its not patentable so don't expect your gp to tell you this.

The last time I got an outbreak I put some coconut oil on and the

sores didn't even appear. I used to get outbreaks regularly. Since

I've been using coconut oil (2 years?) I haven't gotten any.

HTH,

.

" Joanne Burke " <joanne@...> wrote:

>

> Cold sores associated with herpes virus.

> Quite a lot kids when tested have been exposed to herpes virus .

>

> My NT son has just had them ...blast ! but we seem to be doing well

> giving him some Lysine

>

> Darryl did suffer a lot with spots around the mouth until we treated

> with a course of aciclovir from the GP.

> They always appeared when immune system was under attack - teething

> etc.

>

> Joanne

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > My daughter gets cold sores easily and it's hard to get rid of them.

> She

> > has very slight eczma occasionally. This is a virus isn't it?

> > Sally

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thank you I will try this. At the moment I put some (very cheap) stuff

called Aqueous Calamine Cream on them. That seems to dry them up and let

them heal. It may contain coconut oil -- it's certainly the only thing

which seems to quell them. Thank you

Sally

jgarcia3788 wrote:

>

> Cold sores are caused by the herpes virus which is a lipid coated

> virus. Coconut oil destroys lipid coated viruses on contact.

>

> My advice is to use coconut oil both on the sore when it appears, and

> as a prophylactic. Its much more effective than the drugs and with no

> side effects (other than good ones).

>

> Of course its not patentable so don't expect your gp to tell you this.

>

> The last time I got an outbreak I put some coconut oil on and the

> sores didn't even appear. I used to get outbreaks regularly. Since

> I've been using coconut oil (2 years?) I haven't gotten any.

>

> HTH,

> .

>

> " Joanne Burke " <joanne@...> wrote:

> >

> > Cold sores associated with herpes virus.

> > Quite a lot kids when tested have been exposed to herpes virus .

> >

> > My NT son has just had them ...blast ! but we seem to be doing well

> > giving him some Lysine

> >

> > Darryl did suffer a lot with spots around the mouth until we treated

> > with a course of aciclovir from the GP.

> > They always appeared when immune system was under attack - teething

> > etc.

> >

> > Joanne

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > My daughter gets cold sores easily and it's hard to get rid of them.

> > She

> > > has very slight eczma occasionally. This is a virus isn't it?

> > > Sally

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Amy Bolich wrote:

>

>

> Hi, I have a question about cold sores.

Do you think the other sores on his face are

> related?

>

from Dale, Mom to Katy CVID, age 22

Amy, Usually boils are associated with bacterial infections whereas cold

sores are more viral -- I think. But, the real question is whether he's

getting into some kind of PID problem. How recently was he tested? At

this age, I would recommend re-testing every 6 months since his levels

have been shown to be low and he's developing a clinical picture of

problems! I'm really sorry he's going through this. I have been told

by a friend that there's an epidemic of boils going through the state of

Washington. No one knows why, but there's lots and lots of them showing

up in clinics. My friend's teenager, who is not PID, has 6 on his legs.

They are a staph infection and really painful.

In His service,

dale

[Guest guest]

Apthasol - has to be prescribed by your dentist.

I have never found anything better, but my biggest issues are more canker sores.

I KNOW I'm getting sick when one of those shows up and I have tried all of the below.

Apthasol works for me the best especially when you start using it at the first sign of a sore.

Rae Ann

In a message dated 1/3/2008 9:22:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dombush@... writes:

Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include the following (which I have already tried at length)--Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get cold sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a virus of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have more of a problem with this than I used to. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

try rinsing your mouth with a tsp apple cider vinegar in a glass of

water. worked for me

>

> Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include the

> following (which I have already tried at length)--

> Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen

> Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get cold

> sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a

virus

> of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have more

of

> a problem with this than I used to.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much. I will try this!

>

> I just got over a double breakout, but had it under control in 3

days.

> My routine has always been to immediately begin taking 500mg L-Lysine

> supplements, one 3xday. I also get great results from over the

counter

> Releeve One Day. If applied as soon as you feel the cold sore it will

> be gone in 24 hrs. Apply it 3xday. I usually continue the L-Lysine

for

> about a week to prevent further breakouts. This routine has worked

for

> me for the last 5 years. Good luck!

>

[Guest guest]

Peroxydyl mouthwash by Colgate. Swish in mouth until you stop feeling

the effect. Oxidation therapy.

Sherril

>

> Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include the

> following (which I have already tried at length)--

> Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen

> Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get cold

> sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a virus

> of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have more of

> a problem with this than I used to.

>

[Guest guest]

My hubby and daughter suffers with cold sores! Fornately I dont!

However , whne I do get stress out I get cancer sores, dry skin and

bad acne. Anyway's my daughter uses the little yellow Jar Carmex. It

about $1.50 I think. It works for her! I purchase mine at Walmart!

Anyways she has to put this on everyday! Nothing comes up! However,

if she misses a day! Some start to form! If it does put carmax and it

seem to go away in time!

I hope it helps!

Tania

> >

> > Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include the

> > following (which I have already tried at length)--

> > Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen

> > Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get

cold

> > sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a

virus

> > of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have

more of

> > a problem with this than I used to.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used Carmex this time and it worked a lot better than I thought it

would. However, tonight at Walgreens I bought a tube of Releev One

Day (yipes - it was $19.99) but came highly recommended. Hopefully

between these 2 products, I can keep these awful cold sores at bay.

I also am going to try L-Lysine again, which I used in years past but

it eventually became ineffective for me for cold sores.

I have an acicyclovir prescription (oral) from the doc, and it used

to help but doesn'y anymore.

Also, I tried Zovirax cream (prescription - expensive), but that

didn't help.

I noticed on the Revolution Health website where patients rated

Releev for cold sores, it either got a 5 (great) or a 1 (poor).

Seems it either works or doesn't - no in between.

Carmex ($1.19 at Walmart?) is sure a lot cheaper. If Releev doesn't

help, I will consider it (yet another) expensive experiment, but I

have to try!

> > >

> > > Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include

the

> > > following (which I have already tried at length)--

> > > Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol,

Hydrogen

> > > Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get

> cold

> > > sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching

a

> virus

> > > of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have

> more of

> > > a problem with this than I used to.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

CARMEX IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME.Dominie Bush <dombush@...> wrote: Does anyone have a cure for cold sores that does NOT include the following (which I have already tried at length)--Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get cold sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a virus of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have more of a problem with this than I used

to.

[Guest guest]

yes, I agree. Carmex is a wonderful product! I also break out in Herpes simplex when I'm stressed or in the sun too long without anything on my lips. Carmex is inexpensive (like .88 cents) at Wal-Mart. Nadine"christina h." <christina-777@...> wrote: CARMEX IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME.Dominie Bush <dombushbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote: Does anyone have a cure for cold

sores that does NOT include the following (which I have already tried at length)--Lysine, Tetrasil, Nail Polish Remover, Rubbing Alcohol, Hydrogen Peroxide, Zovirax, Ice, Essential Oils, and Acyclovir. I get cold sores whenever I am stressed, in the sun too much, or catching a virus of some kind. I sure hate them! As I get older, I seem to have more of a problem with this than I used to.

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Hi Group:

Reporting back that the scoby did help with the cold sore. I continued to

put the scoby on the area about 10 minutes 3 times a days. It really took the

sting away which is the first thing I noticed. So whenever, the sting came

back, I re-applied. I also took 's advise and put liquid KT on the area

on and off throughout the day. The area although not completely healed has

definite improvements and is almost gone after only 3 days since I noticed it

forming. Big difference from prior cold sores which seemed to linger for at

least a week. I also didn't get any burns from it as I don't let my KT get

too sour. Just wanted to report back. Enjoy your evening.

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Hi,

Be careful with putting KT on cold sores. If the KT has turned to

vinegar, you can get an acid burn from it, as I have done.

Cold sores are caused by the herpes virus, which is a systemic

infection. Therefore, while topical applications may help, you really

need to take the KT internatlly for it to work best (KT is antiviral).

Also, take lysine internally either as a powder or eat a can of beans

until the outbreak goes away. Foods high in arginine like chocolate and

peanuts make the outbreak worse because they help the virus grow.

Finally, remember to avoid sweets when you are sick. Sugar causes your

immune function to drop.

Hope that helps,

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[Guest guest]

Wow , I didn't realize my simple comment would be under such scrunity!!

I was simply giving you results of how I found the Scoby to react to my

situation. My cold sores have always lasted a minimum of a week or longer and

have always taken their time developing. I'm not one use anything such as

prescriptions or ointments ever. I would always let my cold sores run their

course. It was only after reading other post that people used the scoby

successfully for their scrapes and burns and figured if it took pain away from

those,

it could help my developing cold sore. And in my opinion it did. Cure all,

NO, but it did seem to help with the stinging associated and seemed to

shorten the duration. I don't necessarily need this to open up to some

scientific

discussion, just wanted to share my experience in case it will help others.

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[Guest guest]

Aren't warts a form of the herpes virus as well? If that is the case,

is it safe to assume that peanuts and chocolate will have the same

effect?

Celia

WI/USA

Cold sores are caused by the herpes virus, which is a systemic

infection. Therefore, while topical applications may help, you really

need to take the KT internatlly for it to work best (KT is antiviral).

Also, take lysine internally either as a powder or eat a can of beans

until the outbreak goes away. Foods high in arginine like chocolate and

peanuts make the outbreak worse because they help the virus grow.

[Guest guest]

Boy I hope not!!! Not chocolate! Funny thing the day after the post of the cold

sores came out I got one. I used to get them all the time but have not had one

in at least a year. I always teased and said I'd catch one if I even heard the

word.

So now I have a cold sore and of corse the wart is not gone yet. I have always

worked on them systemically not just topically. Wish I could just get rid of

that virus. I have been drinking kt and more recently milk Keifer. Maybe some

day but please do not take away my occasional chocolate!!! Bummer.

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Re: Cold Sores

Aren't warts a form of the herpes virus as well? If that is the case,

is it safe to assume that peanuts and chocolate will have the same

effect?

Celia

WI/USA

Cold sores are caused by the herpes virus, which is a systemic

infection. Therefore, while topical applications may help, you really

need to take the KT internatlly for it to work best (KT is antiviral).

Also, take lysine internally either as a powder or eat a can of beans

until the outbreak goes away. Foods high in arginine like chocolate and

peanuts make the outbreak worse because they help the virus grow.

[Guest guest]

First, the lysine/arginine ratio having anything to do with cold sores

is unsubstantiated. It began with popular misinterpretation of several

papers papers that showed a particular arginine residue in one of the

proteins of a specific herpesvirus being mutated to a lysine resulted

in a less-virulent virus, (Search pubmed for " herpes arginine " .) and

that creation of a non-physiological lysine/arginine ratio _in vitro_

could therefore affect replication.

There's no such thing as a " lysine/arginine ratio " _in vivo_ as your

body uses all amino acids with nearly the same frequency: any

appreciable deviation from 1:1 between any two amino acids would be

either a problematic increase in one or a problematic decrease in the

other. The one exception is alanine, which is used as an intermediary

in metabolic processes (google " alanine cycle " for more). If you

supplement with lysine, the extra lysine doesn't kick around your

system as lysine: it's broken down burned like sugar for calories.

That's why you can't take _in vitro_ results as indicative of any

possible treatment: you can do things _in vitro_ that would be harmful

or fatal to a whole organism.

> Boy I hope not!!! Not chocolate!

So you're fine. *grin*

> So now I have a cold sore and of corse the wart is

> not gone yet. I have always worked on them systemically

> not just topically. Wish I could just get rid of that virus.

You can't get rid of it . . . sorry. The way herpesviruses work is

they slip their DNA into your DNA, so in effect you have an extra gene

in infected cells: a gene to produce herpesvirus. Short of detecting

and destroying or excising every infected cell (a proposition

currently impossible), there's no way to get rid of it. Herpes of any

form is for life. (Even chicken pox: the virus insinuates itself into

your genome as a gene, and can resurface as shingles later in life.)

[Guest guest]

> Reporting back that the scoby did help with the cold sore. I

continued to

> put the scoby on the area about 10 minutes 3 times a days. It

really took the

> sting away which is the first thing I noticed. So whenever, the

sting came

> back, I re-applied. I also took 's advise and put liquid KT

on the area

> on and off throughout the day. The area although not completely

healed has

> definite improvements and is almost gone after only 3 days since I

noticed it

> forming. Big difference from prior cold sores which seemed to

linger for at

> least a week. I also didn't get any burns from it as I don't let

my KT get

> too sour. Just wanted to report back. Enjoy your evening.

I'd be interested to see what happens over time (say, with treating

every other cold sore, and leaving alternate ones alone). Not to

belittle your results, but it does seem like confirmation bias.

For example, we're more likely to consider something " almost gone " if

we're treating it in a way we think will cure it. Retrospective

" seemed to linger for at least a week " when we know we didn't do the

thing that we want to work is likewise a source of error. Especially

given four days is about an average run for a cold sore (and if it's

" almost gone " after three, we can be safe in assuming four days at

least before it's gone), I'd suggest that there may not be a

physiological effect from topical application of KT on the sore.

Again, I hope you realize I'm not trying to belittle your results, but

as I tell the kids I work with for science fair projects, doing

something once doesn't prove anything, because anything can happen once.

(http://sehrgut.co.uk/tafelmusik/philosophy/education/science_fairs_and_ostriche\

s)

Cheers!

[Guest guest]

...will you please provide a link for this info?

Thanks.

Gayle

Re: Cold Sores

The way herpesviruses work is

> they slip their DNA into your DNA, so in effect you have an extra gene

> in infected cells: a gene to produce herpesvirus.

[Guest guest]

>

> Aren't warts a form of the herpes virus as well? If that is the case,

> is it safe to assume that peanuts and chocolate will have the same

> effect?

>

> Celia

> WI/USA

Celia...warts are caused by viruses in the Human Papilloma family (HPV)

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestU\

RI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/warts.jsp

Gayle

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> The way herpesviruses work is

> they slip their DNA into your DNA, so in

> effect you have an extra gene

> in infected cells: a gene to produce herpesvirus.

Gayle wrote:

> ...will you please provide a link for this info?

Consult any elementary college biology text, such as:

http://tinyurl.com/2g6cj4

Cheers!

[Guest guest]

Although we can not get rid of the herpes virus, we can create a less

conducive environment for it to portray itself (symptoms)...I am new to brewing

KT,

but, if it does increase our immunity, then, perhaps this will help.

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[Guest guest]

So you can not ever get rid of it once you have it? How does on get the gene?

Thanks for the info,

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Re: Cold Sores

wrote:

> The way herpesviruses work is

> they slip their DNA into your DNA, so in

> effect you have an extra gene

> in infected cells: a gene to produce herpesvirus.

Gayle wrote:

> ...will you please provide a link for this info?

Consult any elementary college biology text, such as:

http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/2g6cj4> com/2g6cj4

Cheers!